Why does light not pass through voids within atoms?

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The discussion centers around the question of why light does not pass through the voids within atoms, exploring concepts related to the interaction of light with matter, transparency, and the nature of atomic structure. Participants engage in both conceptual and technical reasoning regarding light as both a particle and a wave.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about why light cannot pass through walls, suggesting that since atoms are mostly empty space, light should be able to travel through them similarly to how it travels through space.
  • Another participant explains that light interacts with atoms due to their charged electrons, and that the arrangement of atoms determines whether a material is transparent or not.
  • It is noted that electromagnetic radiation can pass through holes larger than its wavelength, which raises questions about the size of atomic voids compared to light's wavelength.
  • A participant introduces the idea that photons have uncertain positions, which may affect their ability to navigate through atomic gaps.
  • There is a discussion about the process of light absorption and emission by atoms, with one participant realizing that atoms can create their own light through interaction rather than merely reflecting unabsorbed wavelengths.
  • Another participant challenges the assertion regarding electromagnetic radiation passing through holes, suggesting that it may also pass through smaller holes than its wavelength.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the interaction of light with matter, with no clear consensus reached. Some agree on the role of atomic arrangement in transparency, while others question the implications of light's behavior in relation to atomic structure.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various assumptions about the nature of light and atomic structure, including the size of atomic voids relative to light's wavelength and the uncertainty principle related to photons. These factors remain unresolved within the discussion.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring the nature of light, atomic physics, and the principles of transparency in materials.

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Why does light not pass through voids within atoms??

Wow, i luuuuuvvvvv this site. for years I've had a fascination but rarely found many answers on many things. so a BIG thanks to some of you have been answering some of my questions so far.

Here's another...

When doing a fibre optic course, i asked the tutor why light could not pass through the wall, but could pass through air and glass, as essentially the atoms of the wall are mainly vacuum.

I have never had a satisfactory answer to this, and i hold the incorrect opinion that everything of finite density should be allowing light to pass through.

now i may be far too inept on the quantum side of things, to ever fully understand why things aren't transparent. but when i think about the space within the atom, my basic understanding tells me light should be passing through the space in atoms in a similar way as it travels between planets in our solar system.

note that for this i am addressing light as photons in particle form.

an added query following on from this would be that when atoms reflect a wavelength thus giving colour, why do the remaining wavelengths not pass through but are trapped, and what is atomically different between transparent and non transparent atoms.
 
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Light can pass through the wall, the wall is made of almost the same glass as the core. It is just arranged so that the light which enters the wall is reflected back into the core.

The reason light doesn't pass through the spaces between atoms is that light is rather large and the spaces between atoms in a solid are rather small.
Since light is an electromagnetic wave and atoms contain charged electrons the light interacts with the atom.
In a gas the atoms are much further apart and so most of the light doesn't get a chance to interact with them.

Trasnaprent and non-transparent materials (at least solids) depends on howthe atoms are arranged. Incoming light excites atoms which then emit new light, which then interacts with the next atom and so on. If the atoms are arranged so that the outgoing light looks the same as the incoming light then the matererial appears transparent - it isn't the same light going through the matial.
 


Electromagnetic radiation (light, radio, microwaves) can go through holes that are larger than the wavelength of the radiation. That's why satellite dishes, radio telescopes, etc. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Parkes.arp.750pix.jpg ) aren't necessarily solid. They only need to have a screen with holes small enough that the radiation can't pass through. That's also how the screen covering the window of your microwave oven works (wavelength ~2cm).
 
azzkika said:
note that for this i am addressing light as photons in particle form.

Hi azzkika! :smile:

I take it you're completely happy with the wave explanation?

I think the answer is that, as a particle, the photon's position is uncertain … alternatively, it "sees" the positions of the gaps as uncertain … and so it can't avoid the atoms. :smile:
 


yes thanks, some very good replies. and wow, i never realized atoms were creating their own light by interaction -( i always thought they absorbed the frequencies of colour they weren't so to speak and reflected the remaining frequencies). glass has a whole new concept for me now. lol
 
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russ_watters said:
Electromagnetic radiation (light, radio, microwaves) can go through holes that are larger than the wavelength of the radiation.
I'm asking you to clarify the context, because said in this way doesn't seem right to me: em radiation should go even through smaller holes than its wavelength.
 

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