Mathematica Why Does Mathematica Include a Negative Sign in Exp[]?

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The discussion centers on the presence of a negative sign in the Exp[] function within Mathematica when calculating integrals involving wave vectors. Participants analyze the integral's behavior in both the upper and lower half-planes, noting that the convergence conditions depend on the sign of the y-coordinate. A user expresses confusion about the negative sign, prompting others to suggest that an error occurred in their manual calculations. The correct interpretation involves recognizing the asymptotic behavior of the integral, which is influenced by the real part of the exponent. Ultimately, the negative sign is confirmed as correct, and the user acknowledges their mistake.
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The integral is :

[PLAIN]http://i038.radikal.ru/1108/ed/a6cd0c5e8f36.jpg

, where "y" - coordinate, "kx" - component of wave vector

if we calculate this integral on a paper with a pen and using compex variables theory we obtain:

1) y>0

here, in the capacity of contour we take semicircumference in the upper half plane

[URL]http://s006.radikal.ru/i215/1108/c9/835aa4a65f60.jpg[/URL]

2) y<0

here, in the capacity of contour we take semicircumference in the lower half plane

[URL]http://s58.radikal.ru/i162/1108/b7/37bb3bc6170d.jpg[/URL]

So the total answer is

[URL]http://s004.radikal.ru/i208/1108/4f/c35aafd1c20b.jpg[/URL]

Let's calculate it in Math now.

[URL]http://s40.radikal.ru/i090/1108/f8/cf9f67043005.jpg[/URL]

I wonder where Math gets "-" in Exp[] ?
 
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sukharef said:
I wonder where Math gets "-" in Exp[] ?
The - sign is correct. You made an error doing it by hand. To check do a numeric integration and compare to the analytical answers.
 
DaleSpam said:
The - sign is correct. You made an error doing it by hand. To check do a numeric integration and compare to the analytical answers.

ok, but where is an error?
 
sukharef said:
ok, but where is an error?

Looks to me you got the y's mixed up. When the semicircle is over the upper half-plane, I obtain an integral asymptotic to:

\int_{0}^{\pi} e^{R\sin(t) y} dt

and that converges when y<0. Similar dif for the lower half-plane.
 
jackmell said:
Looks to me you got the y's mixed up. When the semicircle is over the upper half-plane, I obtain an integral asymptotic to:

\int_{0}^{\pi} e^{R\sin(t) y} dt

and that converges when y<0. Similar dif for the lower half-plane.

i'm sorry, but where is "-" in Exp[] ?
 
sukharef said:
i'm sorry, but where is "-" in Exp[] ?

Let q=Re^{it} over the semi-circle in the upper half-plane, and I want to know the bounds on the integral. So, I can write that it's less than:

\int_0^{\pi}\left|\frac{e^{-iRe^{it}y}}{R^2e^{2it}+k^2}Rie^{it}\right|dt

and really, it's going to be dominated by the real part of the exponent in the numerator right? So asymptotically, I (think), it's going to approach:

\int_0^{\pi}\frac{e^{-iRe^{it}y}}{R}dt

\int_0^{\pi}\frac{e^{-iR(\cos(t)+i\sin(t))}}{R}dt

So now, I'm only interested in the absolute value of that and that's dependent on it's real part:

\int_0^{\pi}e^{R\sin(t)}dt

But I did that really quick and sloppy. Would need to double-check it and do a better job with inequalities and all if I were turning it in for a grade.
 
jackmell said:
Let q=Re^{it} over the semi-circle in the upper half-plane, and I want to know the bounds on the integral. So, I can write that it's less than:

\int_0^{\pi}\left|\frac{e^{-iRe^{it}y}}{R^2e^{2it}+k^2}Rie^{it}\right|dt

and really, it's going to be dominated by the real part of the exponent in the numerator right? So asymptotically, I (think), it's going to approach:

\int_0^{\pi}\frac{e^{-iRe^{it}y}}{R}dt

\int_0^{\pi}\frac{e^{-iR(\cos(t)+i\sin(t))}}{R}dt

So now, I'm only interested in the absolute value of that and that's dependent on it's real part:

\int_0^{\pi}e^{R\sin(t)}dt

But I did that really quick and sloppy. Would need to double-check it and do a better job with inequalities and all if I were turning it in for a grade.

you are right, I'm sorry. thanks!
 

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