Why Does My Integration by Parts Result Differ?

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The discussion revolves around an integration by parts problem where the original poster is attempting to integrate a function but is encountering discrepancies between their result and the textbook solution. The subject area is calculus, specifically focusing on integration techniques.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts integration by parts but questions their final steps and the correctness of their result. Participants point out potential errors in the original poster's approach, particularly regarding the handling of logarithmic terms and signs. There is also a suggestion to consider a substitution method instead of integration by parts.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's reasoning and suggesting alternative approaches. There is recognition of potential errors in the original poster's integration process, but no consensus on the exact nature of the mistake has been reached.

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Participants are navigating through the complexities of integration, including the handling of logarithmic expressions and the implications of sign errors. The original poster expresses confusion about the relationship between their result and the textbook solution, indicating a need for clarification on simplifications and assumptions made during the integration process.

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Homework Statement
$$\int \frac{lnx}{(x+1)^2} dx$$
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Hi guys,

I've attempted to integrate this function by parts, which seemed to be the most appropriate method... but apparently, I'm getting something wrong since the result doesn't match the right one.
Everything looks good to me, but there must be something silly missing :)
My attempt:
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You seem to have gone wrong at the end. There is nothing you can do with ##\frac{\ln x}{x+1}##.
 
PeroK said:
You seem to have gone wrong at the end. There is nothing you can do with ##\frac{\ln x}{x+1}##.
You mean I have gone wrong by collecting ##lnx## at the very end?
 
greg_rack said:
You mean I have gone wrong by collecting ##lnx## at the very end?
Yes, the last three steps seem unnecessary and you've lost the term ##\ln|x +1|## somehow.
 
PeroK said:
Yes, the last three steps seem unnecessary and you've lost the term ##\ln|x +1|## somehow.
Got it, that's actually taking me to nowhere... but still, I can't understand how to reach the solution
$$\frac{xlnx}{x+1}-ln(x+1)+c$$ provided by my textbook.
Is it just a simplification(that apparently I can't see) far from what I've got, or have I got something wrong in integrating?
 
greg_rack said:
Got it, that's actually taking me to nowhere... but still, I can't understand how to reach the solution
$$\frac{xlnx}{x+1}-ln(x+1)+c$$ provided by my textbook.
Is it just a simplification(that apparently I can't see) far from what I've got, or have I got something wrong in integrating?
That combines the two terms you have in ##\ln x##.

PS Although it looks like they got the sign wrong.
 
PeroK said:
That combines the two terms you have in ##\ln x##.
Uhm, but how? I could add the two terms in ##\ln x##, and still end up with a useless simplification
 
greg_rack said:
Uhm, but how? I could add the two terms in ##\ln x##, and still end up with a useless simplification
The answer's wrong. They got the sign wrong on the parts, I suspect.
 
PS You can always check an indefinite integral by differentiating, of course. That's something everyone should know!
 
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PeroK said:
PS You can always check an indefinite integral by differentiating, of course. That's something everyone should know!
And indeed, differentiating my result, the integration appears to be incorrect, while the book's one is right... where did I get it wrong?🧐
 
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greg_rack said:
And indeed, differentiating my result, the integration appears to be incorrect, while the book's one is right... where did I get it wrong?🧐
You got the sign wrong, then! Right at the start.
 
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Instead of integration by parts I suggest making the substitution ##u=\frac{1}{x+1}##, ##du=\frac{-dx}{(x+1)^2}##.
 
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PeroK said:
You got the sign wrong, then! Right at the start.
Yes, got it!
Thanks a lot @PeroK :)
 

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