Why does Saran Wrap become charged?

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The discussion revolves around the electric charge configuration of saran wrap, particularly focusing on the differences in charge when the wrap is pulled versus when it is not. Participants explore the underlying mechanisms, including the effects of stretching, adhesive properties, and tribocharging, within the context of materials science and electrostatics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that when saran wrap is pulled, it feels like an electric field is present, suggesting a change in charge configuration.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that adhesives and residues on the saran wrap may contribute to its ability to acquire charge, complicating the analysis of electromagnetic versus adhesive forces.
  • Speculation arises regarding the electron affinity of the saran wrap, with one participant suggesting that stretching the plastic may alter its electron affinity, potentially affecting charge distribution.
  • A participant mentions that the phenomenon of static charge generation, known as tribocharging, occurs when two surfaces come into contact and then separate, leading to an imbalance of charge.
  • There is a disagreement regarding whether the saran wrap is polarized with a net zero charge; one participant asserts it is not true, while another claims it is true until separation occurs.
  • A reference to research is made, suggesting that polymer strands in the saran wrap may break at weak bonds during separation, leaving charged fragments, indicating ongoing scientific inquiry into the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the charge configuration of saran wrap, particularly regarding whether it has a net zero charge when not pulled. There is no consensus on the mechanisms behind the observed electric fields or the role of stretching and adhesive properties.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the materials and their properties are not fully explored, such as the specific nature of the adhesive residues and their impact on charge distribution. The discussion also highlights the complexity of separating electromagnetic effects from adhesive interactions.

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Hi

I'm trying determine the electric charge configuration of my saran wrap.

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When it's wrapped up like this, I feel no electric field around it.

But when I pull it I feel an E-field around the sheet i just pulled.


At first I thought that the sheet was just polarized with net 0 charge but I've determined that this isn't true.

Could someone draw/explain to me the charge configuration of pulled vs non-pulled saran wrap?
 
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I think a confounding factor is that saran wrap has adhesives in it. Residues, resin, powders, etc. That allow it to ashere to itself:

http://www.dow.com/productsafety/finder/saran.htm

it does act like a capacitor and can acquire charge easily, as well, and it probably has minimal charge on it when its manufactured and packaged (as part of a clean manufacturing process), but separating adhesive forces from electromagnetic ones is not trivial to me.
 
What a wonderful question. I love it! :smile:

For some reason or another, it seems that the sheet pulled off from the roll has a different electron affinity than the rest of the roll. How could this be?

I speculate that stretching has something to do with it.

Plastic is made up of long, stretchy molecules. When you pull off a sheet of wrap, two things happen:
  • The sheet of wrap that you are pulling is stretched, at least temporarily.
  • The part of the sheet that is touching the roll is stretched, thus it moves (rubs) against the rest of roll until separation occurs.

So the question is, does the stretching of the plastic change its electron affinity?

Experimentation might help here. iScience, you seem to have some method of measuring electric fields. Try measuring the field around a sheet of wrap that was pulled off with a lot of stretching (like you would normally do). Next, pull off a sheet as gently as possible, in attempt to minimize the stretching when separating from the roll. Is there a difference in the resulting electric field around the sheets? :wink:

[Edit: if my speculation is correct, the sheet that was temporarily stretched more (when pulled off the roll) will cling better.]
 
Keep in mind this effect happens with all rolls of tape :smile"

and its the same process when walking over a carpet then getting a zap when touching a door knob
This static charge generation is called tribocharging. when the 2 surfaces that are in contact become separated
some electrons are moved and this causes an imbalance of chargecheers
Dave
 
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At first I thought that the sheet was just polarized with net 0 charge but I've determined that this isn't true

No, I think you will find that is true. there is an initial 0 net charge throughout the material on the roll
Its the act of separating the sheet that generates a charge imbalance as I described in my previous post


Dave
 
I found a reference to this in the first edition of Chabay, Matter and Interactions a while ago. The chemists speculate that the polymer strands actually get torn apart at weak bonds, leaving charged "pieces" of molecule left over. It is apparently a topic of current research (or was whenever that book was written).
 

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