Why does the h tensor represent gravity waves?

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The discussion centers on the distinction between scalar and tensor perturbations in the context of metric perturbations and their relation to gravitational waves. It is clarified that gravitational waves are defined as metric perturbations, specifically represented by the tensor perturbation "h." The participants explore why tensor perturbations are labeled as gravity waves, unlike scalar perturbations denoted by fi or psi. The conversation emphasizes the requirement of an oscillating quadrupole moment to generate gravitational waves, contrasting it with electromagnetic radiation's need for an oscillating dipole moment. Overall, the discussion reveals a need for deeper understanding of gravitational wave mechanics and the definitions used in cosmological physics.
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What makes it more "gravity-wavy" than the fi or psi scalar of the vector perturbations? (Im talking about metric perturbations)

Thanks!
 
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the_pulp said:
What makes it more "gravity-wavy" than the fi or psi scalar of the vector perturbations? (Im talking about metric perturbations)

Thanks!

Can you first figure out why you need to perturb the metric tensor? Then, if you write g_{\mu\nu} = \eta_{\mu\nu} + \mbox{first order perturbation}, how do you balance the indices?
 
dextercioby said:
Can you first figure out why you need to perturb the metric tensor? Then, if you write g_{\mu\nu} = \eta_{\mu\nu} + \mbox{first order perturbation}, how do you balance the indices?

Sorry can you be more explicit? Thanks!
 
the_pulp said:
What makes it more "gravity-wavy" than the fi or psi scalar of the vector perturbations? (Im talking about metric perturbations)

Um, the fact that "gravity waves" are metric perturbations, by definition?

I'm confused about what you're asking here. "Scalar", "vector", "tensor", "gravity wave", etc. are all just labels. If you're asking about why we choose certain labels for certain concepts, I don't see how we're going to answer that here; you'd have to ask the people who came up with the labels. If you're asking about some actual physics, what physics?
 
Ok, I'll be more clear myself. I am reading mukhanov "physical foundations of cosmology". There he says that metric perturbations can be decomposed in scalar, vector and tensor perturbations. Then he says that the tensor perturbation, represented there with letter "h" are Gravity Waves. Why does he say that for the h fluctuation but not for the scalar fluctuation? (Represented there by greek letters fi or psi)

Hope that helps to make you understand my doubt.
 
Because, as PeterDonis said, gravity waves are metric perturbations, by definition. To produce gravitational waves, you need an oscillating quadrupole moment as a source, in contrast to electromagnetic radiation, which requires an oscillating dipole moment.
 
Ok, so, what I have wrong is my comprenhension of Gravity Waves. What I sort of understood from Leonard Susskind videos was that a short perturbation (of any kind, dipole, quadrupole, etc.) in a far place produces gravity waves but I will see that again (and I will go to my GR books, I always overlooked the "Gravity Waves chapter").

Thanks
 

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