Why Does the Restoring Force Use k1x + k2x in Spring Oscillations?

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The discussion revolves around the restoring force in spring oscillations, specifically why it is expressed as k1x + k2x rather than k1x - k2x. Participants explore the implications of spring tension and compression in relation to equilibrium positions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes three scenarios regarding the mass's position relative to equilibrium and proposes that the restoring force should be k1x - k2x due to opposing tensions from the springs.
  • Another participant asserts that the compressed spring is pushing towards equilibrium, suggesting that it is under compression rather than tension.
  • Several participants express confusion over the terminology of 'tension' versus 'spring force' and question the clarity of the explanations provided.
  • One participant argues that even if both springs are under tension, the restoring force remains k1x + k2x, highlighting the balance of forces acting on the mass.
  • A later reply states that a linear spring, whether pulled or compressed, exerts a force proportional to its displacement, leading to the conclusion that the total force is k*x + k*x.
  • One participant critiques an attached diagram, labeling it as unhelpful.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of the restoring force and the role of tension in the springs, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

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Some participants highlight confusion regarding the definitions and roles of tension and spring force, suggesting that the explanation may lack clarity or completeness.

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Looking at the three diagrams we can see that there are three possible situations

(a) mass is to the right of eqm
(b) mass is at eqm
(c) mass is to the left of eqm
(eqm = equilibrium)

Lets look at position (a)

If we consider the tension in both springs:
the tension in the spring on the left has increased by k1x
the tension in the spring on the right has decreased by k2x

So the overall restoring force SHOULD BE k1x - k2x
(the spring on the left is trying to pull it back to the left and the spring on the right is trying to pull it the right hence the forces act in opposite directions)

BUT according to my book the overall restoring force is k1x + k2x...how?

Any help is greatly appreciated

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Consider the mass at some point during motion. Let its displacement from eqm be x at that point. One of the two springs has been extended by x and the other has been shortened by x. So compared with eqm one spring has extra tension k1x and the other string has its tension reduced by k2x.
The spring constants for the individual springs are k1 and k2.
The extra tension from one spring combines with the reduced tension from the other to give a restoring force of k1x + k2x.
The restoring force can be written as: F = -kx
where k = k1 + k2
The - sign indicates it acts towards eqm
 
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The compressed spring is not pulling away from the eqm but pushing towards. IE it is under compression.
 
Integral said:
The compressed spring is not pulling away from the eqm but pushing towards. IE it is under compression.

oh right
thanks
 
Integral said:
The compressed spring is not pulling away from the eqm but pushing towards. IE it is under compression.

why is tension not present here?
(I don't understand the explanation given)?
 

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jsmith613 said:
why is tension not present here?
(I don't understand the explanation given)?
I don't understand the choices. There are two forces acting on the hanging mass: gravity and the force from the spring. Of course, a stretched spring exerts a tension. So I don't know the intention of having 'tension' vs 'spring' as separate choices: you could call that force the spring force or the tension force exerted by the spring.

And the given explanation reads like gibberish. Where is this question from?
 
Integral said:
The compressed spring is not pulling away from the eqm but pushing towards. IE it is under compression.

Even if both springs are under tension all of the time, the restoring force would still be k_1x + k_2x. There's an increased force to the left, because the left spring pulls harder and a decreased force to the right because the right sprint pulls less hard than in the equilibrium position. This will give the same effect as an increased force to the right.
 
A linear spring pulled from equilibrium exerts a force k*x. A linear spring compressed from equilibrium exerts a force k*x. Thus, the force is k*x+k*x.

I'm not sure where the issue lays
 
By the way, that attached .png is garbage, no offence.
 

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