Why does the summation of a constant from -N to N equal 2N+1?

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The discussion revolves around the summation of a constant from -N to N, specifically examining why the result equals 2N+1. Participants express confusion regarding the treatment of the constant within the summation.

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  • Participants question the logic of moving the constant outside the summation, suggesting that it leads to incorrect conclusions. Some explore the implications of factoring out the constant and how it relates to the total count of terms being summed.

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Multiple interpretations of the summation process are being explored, with participants attempting to clarify their understanding of how the summation operates. Some have provided examples to illustrate their points, contributing to a productive dialogue.

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Participants reference specific examples of summations with different ranges, indicating a desire to understand the general principle behind counting terms in summations.

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I know that:

[tex] \sum_{n=-N}^N{1} = 2N+1 [/tex]

But I don't understand why.


It seems to me that since the constant inside the summation is not dependent on n it can be moved outside of the summation, leaving nothing to sum.

So I think the summation should actually equal one.

Could someone help me figure out where my logic isn't right?
 
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SpaceDomain said:
I know that:

[tex] \sum_{n=-N}^N{1} = 2N+1 [/tex]

But I don't understand why.


It seems to me that since the constant inside the summation is not dependent on n it can be moved outside of the summation, leaving nothing to sum.

If you factor out a number from a sum, like 2x+2y+2z=2(x+y+z), you divide all terms with the common factor. It has no sense to factor out "1" from the summation, as dividing by one leaves everything unchanged.The sum means that you have to add 2N+1 "1" together. It is like counting from -N to N .


ehild
 
SpaceDomain said:
I know that:

[tex] \sum_{n=-N}^N{1} = 2N+1 [/tex]

But I don't understand why.


It seems to me that since the constant inside the summation is not dependent on n it can be moved outside of the summation, leaving nothing to sum.

So I think the summation should actually equal one.

Could someone help me figure out where my logic isn't right?

Even if you "move" the 1 out in front of the summation, you still leave a 1 inside. You don't leave a 0 inside. Think of the 1 inside as 1 * 1. You bring a constant 1 out in front of the summation, but that still leaves a 1 inside. Make sense?


EDIT -- beaten out by ehild...
 
SpaceDomain said:
I know that:

[tex] \sum_{n=-N}^N{1} = 2N+1 [/tex]

But I don't understand why.


It seems to me that since the constant inside the summation is not dependent on n it can be moved outside of the summation, leaving nothing to sum.

So I think the summation should actually equal one.

Could someone help me figure out where my logic isn't right?

If the summation were
[tex]\sum_{n=1}^5{1}[/tex]
can you see that it would be 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 5(1) = 5?
What if it were [tex]\sum_{n=0}^5{1}[/tex]?
How about this one? [tex]\sum_{n=-5}^5{1}[/tex]?
 
Mark44 said:
If the summation were
[tex]\sum_{n=1}^5{1}[/tex]
can you see that it would be 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 5(1) = 5?
What if it were [tex]\sum_{n=0}^5{1}[/tex]?
How about this one? [tex]\sum_{n=-5}^5{1}[/tex]?

[tex]\sum_{n=1}^5{1} = 5[/tex]

[tex]\sum_{n=0}^5{1} = 6[/tex]

[tex]\sum_{n=-5}^{5}{1}[/tex]

[tex]=\sum_{n=-5}^{-1}{1}[/tex]

[tex]+ \sum_{n=1}^5{1}[/tex]

[tex]+ 1 = 11[/tex]

Okay. That helps a lot. Thank you all very much.
 
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