Why does the Van der Graaf Generator produce a spark?

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The discussion revolves around the functioning of the Van de Graaff generator, specifically focusing on the source of electrons, the mechanism of charge accumulation, and the production of sparks. It encompasses theoretical explanations and conceptual clarifications regarding electrostatic principles and charge transfer processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the origin of electrons in the Van de Graaff generator, wondering if they come from the sphere, the object, or the rubber band inside the generator.
  • Another participant explains that the generator uses friction to remove electrons, which are then transferred to the sphere via a belt, emphasizing the importance of a smooth sphere for charge accumulation.
  • A participant expresses understanding of the role of the brush in holding and releasing electrons to create a potential difference, inviting corrections if needed.
  • Another participant elaborates on the function of the brush, stating it concentrates charge at its tips to ionize the air, and describes the sequence of charge generation involving the bottom roller and the triboelectric effect.
  • This participant also mentions the Faraday ice pail effect as significant for the sphere to acquire a high charge.

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Participants present multiple viewpoints regarding the mechanisms of charge generation and transfer, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with competing explanations and interpretations.

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The discussion includes references to various physical principles and effects, such as the triboelectric effect and electric induction, but does not resolve the underlying assumptions or dependencies on specific definitions.

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Where the electrons come from? Do they leave the sphere or the object? Or maybe even the rubber band inside the generator?

I'm having a hard time figuring this out.

Also, how does this prove the charge of the sphere?
 
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The Van de Graaff generator uses friction to "rub off" electrons, which stick to the belt until they are transferred to the sphere.

The sphere must be very smooth in order for it to build up a significant charge ... sharp points concentrate the electric field, and bleed off the charge.

See http://science.howstuffworks.com/transport/engines-equipment/vdg.htm
and http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/vandeg.html

These describe the two main ways to generate the charges; you can test the charge of the sphere by means of Ben Franklin's technique with pith balls ...
 
I guess get it now. The brush holds the electrons in and gives it away when needed to produce the spark (potential difference.)

Thanks and correct me if I'm wrong.
 
The brush is there so that the charge can concentrate in its tips and cause a strong enough field to ionize the air.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_discharge

First the bottom roller becomes charged through the triboelectric effect because the belt moves over it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triboelectric_effect

The charge on the roller in turn induces a charge in the brush which is not touching the belt at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_induction

The air close to the brush then becomes ionized, allowing charge to flow through the air between the brush and the belt. That process charges the belt which then transports the charge to the upper roller where it then flows through the air into the other brush.

Also the faraday ice pail effect plays a key role in allowing the sphere to acquire a very high charge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday's_ice_pail_experiment
 

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