Why Does This Limit Calculation Fail?

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The discussion revolves around finding the limit \(\lim_{x\rightarrow -1}(\sqrt[3]{\frac{x^3+1}{x+1}})\). Participants are exploring the implications of substituting and simplifying the expression, particularly focusing on the indeterminate form encountered when substituting \(x = -1\).

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Some participants discuss the initial substitution of \(\frac{x^3+1}{x+1}=u\) and question its effectiveness, suggesting that it merely obscures the original problem. Others propose factoring the expression to simplify the limit calculation.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering various insights into how to approach the limit. There is recognition of the indeterminate form and suggestions to factor the numerator and denominator to resolve it. Some participants express confusion about the implications of their substitutions and the correctness of their reasoning.

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There is an acknowledgment of the indeterminate form \(0/0\) when substituting \(x = -1\), which leads to discussions about factoring and the need to simplify before taking the limit. Participants are also reflecting on their assumptions and the algebraic manipulations involved.

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Homework Statement


Hello! I'm having difficulty to find this limit: [tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow -1}(\sqrt[3]{\frac{x^3+1}{x+1}})[/tex]

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The Attempt at a Solution


This is what I'm trying to do to solve this limit: Let [tex]\frac{x^3+1}{x+1}=u[/tex] then
[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow -1}(\sqrt[3]{u}) = \lim_{x\rightarrow -1}(\sqrt[3]{-1})[/tex]
I know something is wrong I'm just not sure about what is actually wrong. I'm thinking that [tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow -1}(\sqrt[3]{u})[/tex] Is wrong because that -1!

Thanks!
 
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All you have done is "hide" the problem in that "u".

I would think that your first step would be to write
[tex]\frac{x^3+ 1}{x+ 1}= \frac{(x+1)(x^2- x+ 1)}{x+1}= x^2- x+ 1[/tex]
 
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DDarthVader said:

Homework Statement


Hello! I'm having difficulty to find this limit: [tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow -1}(\sqrt[3]{\frac{x^3+1}{x+1}})[/tex]

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


This is what I'm trying to do to solve this limit: Let [tex]\frac{x^3+1}{x+1}=u[/tex] then
[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow -1}(\sqrt[3]{u}) = \lim_{x\rightarrow -1}(\sqrt[3]{-1})[/tex]
How did you come up with the above result?
I know something is wrong I'm just not sure about what is actually wrong. I'm thinking that [tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow -1}(\sqrt[3]{u})[/tex] Is wrong because that -1!

Thanks!
Factor x3 + 1 .
 
Now I can see it!
[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow -1}f(x)=3[/tex] then [tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow 3}\sqrt[3]{u} =\sqrt[3]{3}[/tex] and that means [tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow -1}(\sqrt[3]{\frac{x^3+1}{x+1}})=\sqrt[3]{3}[/tex]
Right?
 
It's asking what the limit is when x approaches -1 not everything inside the radical. Simplify and cancel first then take the limit. Try factoring the denominator.

edit: ^ you are making this way harder than it really is. Forget the limit, use algebra to simplify the expression then plug in -1 like you would in an function and see what you get.

2nd edit: never mind, you got it
 
HallsofIvy said:
All you have done is "hide" the problem in that "u".

I would think that your first step would be to write
[tex]\frac{x^3+ 1}{x+ 1}= \frac{(x+1)(x^2- x+ 1)}{x+1}= x^2- 2x+ 1[/tex]
The last expression should be x2 - x + 1.
 
Thanks! I'm too use to thinking of perfect squares!
 
So you have the fraction [tex]\frac{x^3+1}{x+1}[/tex] and if you plug x=-1 into this, you get the indeterminate form 0/0. Remember that if you plug a value of x=a into a polynomial and it equates to zero, then it means that you have a root at x=a, and thus you can factor out (x-a) from the polynomial.

This was the first step you needed to realize. Since plugging x=-1 into the numerator and denominator equates both of them to zero, then (x-(-1))=(x+1) is a factor of both the numerator and denominator (but in the denominator it's obvious) so you would then need to figure out how to factor x+1 out of the numerator.
 
I'd like to say something real quickly. [itex]\displaystyle\lim_{x\to-1}\left(\sqrt[3]{u}\right)\neq\lim_{u\to-1}\left(\sqrt[3]{u}\right)[/itex]. By the same arguments, you could show that [itex]\displaystyle\lim_{x\to 0}\left(1\right)[/itex], and, by letting [itex]u=1[/itex], [itex]\displaystyle\lim_{x\to0}\left(u\right)=0[/itex], which is obviously not true.
 

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