Why don't electrons jump between the turns of a coil?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the behavior of electrons in a coil, specifically why they tend to follow the turns of the coil rather than jumping between them. Participants explore concepts related to electrical insulation, electron speed, voltage potential, and the conditions under which arcing might occur.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the insulation on the wire prevents electrons from jumping between turns, implying that without insulation, a short circuit could occur.
  • Others mention that under certain conditions, such as high voltage potentials, electrons can indeed jump between turns, referencing phenomena like arcing during lightning strikes.
  • One participant argues that electrons take the path of least resistance, while another counters that they take all paths inversely proportional to the resistances of those paths.
  • There is a discussion about the speed of electrons and their energy levels, with some asserting that high electron volt potentials are necessary for breakdown to occur.
  • Participants note that coils typically have insulating enamel coatings, which affect the flow of current and the behavior of the magnetic fields around the coil.
  • Some participants express confusion about the explanations provided, indicating a lack of clarity on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the reasons behind electron behavior in coils, with multiple competing views and uncertainties remaining regarding the influence of insulation, voltage, and electron dynamics.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include references to the conductivity of materials, the conditions necessary for arcing, and the complexities of electron behavior in different scenarios, highlighting the nuanced understanding required in this area.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying electrical engineering, physics, or anyone curious about the behavior of electrons in coils and the principles of electromagnetism.

  • #31
I think what sophie said is that lightning itself is DC , we have known that for quite some time now but the very burst itself the arc through the air creates some extra components with it that may resonate after the initial strike has run short of its potential, and those extra components are more like high frequency AC.

not a brilliant but still an analogy would be that take any other DC source , a battery or more closely a capacitor charged to high potential and it matters through what medium you discharge the cap.the discharge itself could create AC for brief amount of time.
it matters if you discharge the cap with a short thick screwdriver or with a few turns of conducting path wrapped in a coil fashion , it could even be coreless still a very high potential would be shorted through it , and some resonant EM field would exist for some time around the coil.yet the source was and still is DC.
 
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  • #32
See what a waste of time classification can be?
DC from a battery and the conditions that we use in 'DC calculations' are all predicated on the steady state - or the 'near enough' steady state to allow good predictions. A lightning strike does not satisfy those conditions. It is brief, non linear and generates significant RF to tell me that there is 'AC' there. AC is not just 50 or 60 Hz; if there is an alternating component at 200kHz then I would call that AC. Would you call it DC? What would Mr Fourier have to say about it? I don't need to give references to him, do I?
 
  • #33
A lightning bolt doesn't neatly align with the concept of either DC or AC. Nor need it.

The question of why electrons follow the tedious circuitous path in a coil has been adequately answered. Thanks to all contributors.

Thread closed.

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