Why don't superconductors emit a lot of heat?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the thermal properties of superconductors, specifically why superconducting electromagnets do not emit significant heat despite having very low resistance. Participants explore the implications of zero resistance on heat generation and electrical power dissipation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that superconductors have exactly zero electrical resistance, which leads to the conclusion that they do not produce heat when current flows through them.
  • One participant challenges the idea by referencing the formula for heat dissipation, suggesting that low resistance should still result in heat generation, leading to confusion about the nature of superconductors.
  • Another participant clarifies that voltage cannot exist across zero resistance without resulting in infinite current, which would imply zero power dissipation.
  • There is a mention of Lenz's Law and the ability of current to circulate indefinitely in a superconductor until it transitions out of the superconducting state due to heating.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the clarification regarding the nature of resistance in superconductors, indicating a shift in understanding from near-zero to exactly zero resistance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that superconductors have zero resistance, but there remains some confusion and debate regarding the implications of this property on heat generation and power dissipation.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the behavior of superconductors and the conditions under which they operate may not be fully explored, particularly regarding the transition from superconducting to normal states and the effects of external factors.

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Hi everyone, just a quick question.

I just heard someone say a superconducting electromagnet does not produce heat, which I find very strange, since it seems that, since rate of heat energy being dissipated = voltage^2/resistance. Taking the limit as resistance goes to 0, with voltage held constant, power approaches infinity. I remember reading that resistance is not exactly zero, but it's very close, so it stands to reason that this low of a resistance should produce a ton of heat. Hence, confusion.

Thanks for your help.
 
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I am not intimately familiar with superconducting magnet technology, but I can say this: super conductors have zero electrical resistance. Not a small amount, not practically zero, but exactly zero. It's some weird quantum mechanical effect that I can't remember the name of, but there is literally 0 ohms resistance in a superconducting wire. That's why they are such a huge deal.

If your intuition can't grasp how it can be exactly zero, don't worry. Quantum mechanics is beyond any form of human intuition.
 
osnarf said:
Hi everyone, just a quick question.

I just heard someone say a superconducting electromagnet does not produce heat, which I find very strange, since it seems that, since rate of heat energy being dissipated = voltage^2/resistance. Taking the limit as resistance goes to 0, with voltage held constant, power approaches infinity. I remember reading that resistance is not exactly zero, but it's very close, so it stands to reason that this low of a resistance should produce a ton of heat. Hence, confusion.

Thanks for your help.

The heat produced is also zero because you can't produce a voltage across zero resistance without infinite current.

A better formula would be Power = I2 times R
So whatever current you do send through the superconductor is multiplied by zero to give you zero power.
 
This comes up on this forum every so often, but the very definition of a superconductor is that it has zero resistance. If you get a current circulating around in one (pumping via Lenz's Law) it'll keep on going forever (or until the superconductor warms up, stops becoming a superconductor, and blows up / melts down instead):
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=250863
 
Okay that makes sense, I thought it was near zero, not exactly. Thanks for clearing it up.
 

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