Why entropy change is different

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The discussion focuses on the differences in calculating entropy change using two methods. Method 1 employs a Maxwell relation to derive the entropy change as an integral involving pressure and volume. Method 2 attempts to use the isothermal condition but is deemed incorrect due to a flawed starting equation. The error arises because, in an isothermal process for real gases, the change in internal energy (dU) is not zero, affecting the validity of the equation used. Understanding these distinctions is crucial for accurately calculating entropy changes in thermodynamic processes.
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Homework Statement
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Relevant Equations
$$\Delta S = \int_i^f{\frac{dQ_{rev}}{T}}$$
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I tried two different methods when solving this question and have no idea why.

Method 1:
Using the Maxwell relation of $$\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial V}\right)_T=\left(\frac{\partial P}{\partial T}\right)_V=\frac{R}{V-b}$$ then integrating it, I get $$\Delta S = \int_i^f\frac{R}{V-b}dV$$

Method 2:
$$\Delta S = \int_i^f\frac{P}{T}dV$$ as isothermal implies that ##dQ=PdV##. Next, substituting in ##P## gives $$\int_i^f\left({\frac{R}{V-b}-\frac{a}{TV^2}}\right)dV$$
 
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laser1 said:
Homework Statement: see description
Relevant Equations: $$\Delta S = \int_i^f{\frac{dQ_{rev}}{T}}$$

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I tried two different methods when solving this question and have no idea why.

Method 1:
Using the Maxwell relation of $$\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial V}\right)_T=\left(\frac{\partial P}{\partial T}\right)_V=\frac{R}{V-b}$$ then integrating it, I get $$\Delta S = \int_i^f\frac{R}{V-b}dV$$

Method 2:
$$\Delta S = \int_i^f\frac{P}{T}dV$$ as isothermal implies that ##dQ=PdV##. Next, substituting in ##P## gives $$\int_i^f\left({\frac{R}{V-b}-\frac{a}{TV^2}}\right)dV$$
Method 2 is incorrect because your starting equation is incorrect.
 
Chestermiller said:
Method 2 is incorrect because your starting equation is incorrect.
##dQ=PdV## in isothermal process is incorrect? I am not sure why it is incorrect. Thanks
 
laser1 said:
##dQ=PdV## in isothermal process is incorrect? I am not sure why it is incorrect. Thanks
Because, in an isothermal process for a real gas, dU is not zero.
 
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