Why entropy change is different

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The discussion centers on the differences in entropy change calculations using two methods. Method 1 employs the Maxwell relation, yielding the equation $$\Delta S = \int_i^f\frac{R}{V-b}dV$$, which is correct. Method 2 incorrectly applies the equation $$dQ=PdV$$ for isothermal processes, leading to an erroneous integration. The key takeaway is that in real gas scenarios, the internal energy change (dU) is not zero, which invalidates the assumptions made in Method 2.

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Homework Statement
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Relevant Equations
$$\Delta S = \int_i^f{\frac{dQ_{rev}}{T}}$$
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I tried two different methods when solving this question and have no idea why.

Method 1:
Using the Maxwell relation of $$\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial V}\right)_T=\left(\frac{\partial P}{\partial T}\right)_V=\frac{R}{V-b}$$ then integrating it, I get $$\Delta S = \int_i^f\frac{R}{V-b}dV$$

Method 2:
$$\Delta S = \int_i^f\frac{P}{T}dV$$ as isothermal implies that ##dQ=PdV##. Next, substituting in ##P## gives $$\int_i^f\left({\frac{R}{V-b}-\frac{a}{TV^2}}\right)dV$$
 
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laser1 said:
Homework Statement: see description
Relevant Equations: $$\Delta S = \int_i^f{\frac{dQ_{rev}}{T}}$$

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I tried two different methods when solving this question and have no idea why.

Method 1:
Using the Maxwell relation of $$\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial V}\right)_T=\left(\frac{\partial P}{\partial T}\right)_V=\frac{R}{V-b}$$ then integrating it, I get $$\Delta S = \int_i^f\frac{R}{V-b}dV$$

Method 2:
$$\Delta S = \int_i^f\frac{P}{T}dV$$ as isothermal implies that ##dQ=PdV##. Next, substituting in ##P## gives $$\int_i^f\left({\frac{R}{V-b}-\frac{a}{TV^2}}\right)dV$$
Method 2 is incorrect because your starting equation is incorrect.
 
Chestermiller said:
Method 2 is incorrect because your starting equation is incorrect.
##dQ=PdV## in isothermal process is incorrect? I am not sure why it is incorrect. Thanks
 
laser1 said:
##dQ=PdV## in isothermal process is incorrect? I am not sure why it is incorrect. Thanks
Because, in an isothermal process for a real gas, dU is not zero.
 
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