Why Expect Gravity Waves from Distant Cosmic Events?

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The discussion centers on the expectations surrounding the detection of gravitational waves (GWs) from distant cosmic events, particularly focusing on colliding black holes and supernova explosions. Participants explore the implications of recent LIGO results and the conditions necessary for detecting GWs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the expectation of detecting GWs from colliding black holes, arguing that the center of gravity of the system would not significantly change during the collision, thus raising doubts about the detectability of GWs.
  • The same participant also expresses skepticism regarding the detection of GWs from supernovae, suggesting that the center of gravity of the involved material remains unchanged.
  • Another participant requests a link to a report regarding LIGO's findings, indicating a desire for clarification on the topic.
  • A participant provides a link to a news story about LIGO's null result, but another participant points out a contradiction in the statements regarding the existence of GWs based on the report.
  • One participant attempts to clarify that the report indicates certain amplitudes of GWs can be ruled out, but does not imply that GWs do not exist at all.
  • It is noted that LIGO was not expecting to detect anything at its current detection limit, suggesting limitations in the detection capabilities.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of LIGO's findings and the conditions necessary for detecting gravitational waves. There is no consensus on the expectations for detecting GWs from the discussed cosmic events.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference a report that may have ambiguous implications regarding the existence of gravitational waves, highlighting the need for careful interpretation of the findings. The discussion also touches on the limitations of LIGO's detection capabilities.

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a recent news release indicated that LIGO had a null result on its gravity wave detection work, and that they were concluding that GWs did not exist, at least at a certain level of significance. i am also not surprised. the examples of situations where GWs were to be expected were colliding black holes or supernova explosions.

my question is why we would expect to be able to detect GWs even from either of those types of events. in the event of colliding BHs, we would assume that the BHs in question are rather far removed from the earth, and that, as a "system" (pair of BHs) at any stellar distance from us, the center of gravity would not significantly change as they collide, so why would we expect to detect GWs? same with a supernova - since the center of gravity of the involved material would not change, why would we expect to detect GWs? in order to effectively detect GWs, it seems to me that it would require a fairly extreme change in the center of gravity of a very massive body - something that is not even really possible (is it?)
 
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Could you please provide a link to this report?

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Matt
 
matt - here is an online news story about it:
http://www.livescience.com/space/090819-gravitational-waves.html
 
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a recent news release indicated that LIGO had a null result on its gravity wave detection work, and that they were concluding that GWs did not exist, at least at a certain level of significance.
here is an online news story about it:
http://www.livescience.com/space/090...nal-waves.html
Sorry, those statements contradict each other. Did you actually read the story you're linking to?
 
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I think you are misunderstanding what that report is telling you.

From the report;

The fact that this first period of observations did not detect gravitational waves allows researchers to rule out the possibility of waves above a certain amplitude threshold.

This is simply implying that waves of a certain amplitude can be ruled out. Not that gravity waves do not exist.

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Matt
 
Nor was LIGO expecting to detect anything at the current detection limit.
 

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