Why heavy cars take more time than lighter cars to stop?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the question of why heavier cars take more time to stop than lighter cars when braking. Participants explore concepts related to inertia, friction, and braking systems, examining the physical principles involved in stopping distances and forces at play.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that inertia plays a role in the stopping time of heavier cars, questioning how it relates to friction.
  • Others introduce the concept of tire load sensitivity, noting that the coefficient of friction can decrease with increased load.
  • A participant challenges the use of "moment of inertia" as a term, suggesting that it may not be applicable in this context and encourages seeking clarification from instructors.
  • One viewpoint emphasizes that while heavier cars have more inertia, they also exert more force on the tires, which could lead to similar stopping distances if tire friction is not affected by weight.
  • Another participant points out that the braking systems of heavier cars are typically designed to handle greater kinetic energy, which may complicate comparisons with lighter cars.
  • Some participants express confusion over the instructor's explanation and suggest that the premise that heavier cars always take longer to stop may not be universally true.
  • A later reply indicates that if all other factors are equal, heavier cars would take longer to stop due to their greater mass and inertia, but acknowledges the potential for confusion in using this example.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationship between inertia and stopping time. There are multiple competing views regarding the factors influencing stopping distances, including tire friction, braking system design, and the role of inertia.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion is complicated by various factors such as tire design, road conditions, and the specifics of braking systems, which may not have been fully addressed in the initial question.

  • #31
OldYat47 said:
This kind of question makes my head hurt. The accurate statement (which does not fit the teacher's "example") is that to stop a car you need to reduce its momentum to zero. It take more braking effort to stop a heavier car than a lighter car. Full stop.

There is no doubt that my Honda Odyssey can stop more quickly than the 1964 VW beetle I used to have, in spite of the significant weight difference.
You have proper brakes on the new one - probably the Beetle would have had no servo assist and drums all round. I had an old (at the time) Morris 1000 in 1967 with minute drums all round which would over heart and fade at the drop of a hat. In Physics terms - not a fair test.
 
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  • #32
My '64 beetle was brand new at the time (revealing my age). And at that time the beetle was among the better-stopping cars around (compared to American cars, for example). Which brings us around to the main point, that heavier does not equal longer stopping distances. Many other factors contribute. Probably no servo assist? That made me smile. The windshield washer had to be pressurized with a bicycle pump. We're talking basic and primitive.
 
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  • #33
I used to get a lift in a woman's lh drive beetle that let water into the heating duct. Condensation On the windscreen made it impossible to see out and she used to drive (in U.K.) with her body where it would have been in a rh drive car. In my (rh ) passenger seat, I was in the path of oncoming traffic. Scary.
 
  • #34
Talk about scary! The only place you would be getting water from is the exhaust leaking into the air shrouds.
 
  • #35
I don't think CO was a problem (no headaches). It was after rain, which came in through rust holes! and trickled into the hot air ducts. I nearly offered to drill some drain holes but I didn't want to get involved.
I have had most of the classic cars that you find on British roads (including a 2CV - my lovely new 2CV) but I never found a Beetle when I needed a car. I did have a VW camper with the same basic engine, though. The brakes on that were fine. - but they had to be, on a commercial transporter chassis.
 

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