Why I can burn a paper with magnifying glass and sun?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of burning paper using a magnifying glass and sunlight, exploring the underlying physical principles, including the role of electromagnetic fields, energy concentration, and chemical reactions involved in combustion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that light is an electromagnetic wave that carries energy, which can be concentrated by a magnifying glass to raise the temperature of paper to its burning point.
  • Others argue that the magnifying glass focuses light onto a small area, increasing the localized energy and thus heating the paper sufficiently to ignite it.
  • A participant questions the interaction of electrons in the paper with the concentrated electromagnetic field, suggesting that this may lead to the release of energy in the form of heat.
  • Another participant discusses the concept of activation energy, explaining that the magnifying glass concentrates energy to a smaller area, increasing the energy-to-amount ratio necessary for combustion.
  • Some participants explore the idea of using magnets to burn paper, questioning whether it is possible and discussing the limitations of magnetic energy in this context.
  • There is mention of induction heating as a method to generate heat using magnets, though its direct application to burning paper is not established.
  • One participant explains that the magnifying glass works through refraction, bending light to create a focused image, which is relevant to the discussion of how it can concentrate energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the role of the magnifying glass in concentrating light to burn paper, but there is uncertainty regarding the specifics of electron interactions and the feasibility of using magnets for similar effects. Multiple competing views remain on the latter topic.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the interaction of light, energy concentration, and combustion processes involve assumptions that are not fully explored or defined, such as the exact mechanisms of electron excitation and the role of activation energy.

  • #31
Sorry to interrupt you here, but if the chemical reaction of combustion is occurring only at the paper, then why is light coming from the entire flame, which may be several cm long?

It follows it's not just the paper that's burning, also gases emitted from it when heated are burning. What gases would paper emit when heated?
 
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  • #32
Ulysees said:
Sorry to interrupt you here, but if the chemical reaction of combustion is occurring only at the paper, then why is light coming from the entire flame, which may be several cm long?
That's what burning is. This is a different discussion.
 
  • #33
Ulysees said:
Sorry to interrupt you here, but if the chemical reaction of combustion is occurring only at the paper, then why is light coming from the entire flame, which may be several cm long?

It follows it's not just the paper that's burning, also gases emitted from it when heated are burning. What gases would paper emit when heated?

light doesn't *come* from the flame. The appearance of light from somewhere makes you assume that there is a flame there. And yes.. as dave suggested this is a totally different discussion. We are mixing optics, thermodynamics and atomic structure all at the same time which a good combination makes not :D
 
  • #34
And how I can determine, how big I'll see the http://laser.physics.sunysb.edu/~jennifer/pictures/refraction.gif" Why X is like on the picture?
 
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  • #35
> light doesn't *come* from the flame.
> The appearance of light from somewhere makes you assume that there is a flame there

And what is the deep philosophical difference between these two? :-p Of course there is light coming from the flame! Of course there is a flame 2 centimetres from the paper! It's gas. Anyway, this is too philosophical for me :-p. See you guys.
 
  • #36
is a magnifying glass and the sun a form of clear heat?
 
  • #37
rena g said:
is a magnifying glass and the sun a form of clear heat?

This thread is 3 years old. You should start a new thread to ask your question.

In asking your question, you should describe what you mean by "clear heat", since there is no such scientific term.
 

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