Why is clear glass see-through but not completely invisible?

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The discussion centers around the question of why clear glass is transparent but not completely invisible, exploring the concepts of transparency, invisibility, and the optical properties of materials. Participants delve into the differences between transparent and invisible objects, the role of scattering, refraction, and other optical effects.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that transparent objects allow light to pass through without absorbing, reflecting, or scattering it, while invisible objects are not perceivable by vision.
  • Others argue that there is always some scattering, particularly from the edges of the glass, which contributes to its visibility.
  • A participant mentions that if there were no scattering, absorption, or reflection, the object would indeed be invisible, though this is considered an ideal case.
  • Some participants inquire about other optical properties or effects that might make a transparent object perceivable, suggesting that refraction is one such property.
  • Refraction is discussed as a phenomenon that makes transparent objects visible by bending light as it passes through, particularly at angles between different media.
  • It is noted that refraction does not occur when light hits the boundary of a medium perpendicularly, raising questions about its relevance to the discussion.
  • Participants highlight that even when viewed at right angles, a transparent surface with a different refractive index from air will cause reflection, making it appear shiny.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of the refractive index in understanding transparency and visibility.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the definitions of transparency and invisibility, the role of scattering and refraction, and the conditions under which these phenomena occur. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of transparency and invisibility, as well as the conditions under which refraction and scattering occur. The nuances of how these properties interact with light are not fully resolved.

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Why is a smooth clean piece of glass transparent but not invisible?
 
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What is the difference between transparent and invisible?
 
DaleSpam said:
What is the difference between transparent and invisible?

Transparent objects allow light to pass through neither absorbing nor reflecting nor scattering it. Invisible objects are not perceivable by vision.
 
motleycat said:
Transparent objects allow light to pass through neither absorbing nor reflecting nor scattering it. Invisible objects are not perceivable by vision.
There is always some scattering, particularly from the edges. Indeed, if there is no scattering, absorption or reflection, the object will indeed be invisible. That is, however, the ideal case.
 
Chandra Prayaga said:
There is always some scattering, particularly from the edges. Indeed, if there is no scattering, absorption or reflection, the object will indeed be invisible. That is, however, the ideal case.

So the fact that glass scatters light makes it transparent but not invisible?
 
motleycat said:
Transparent objects allow light to pass through neither absorbing nor reflecting nor scattering it. Invisible objects are not perceivable by vision.
So what other optical properties or effects might a transparent object have that would be percievable by vision? Can you think of any other quantity that is often used to characterize transparent media?
 
Invisibility means electromagnetic waves are bent around the object. For some frequencies and small objects they've already been able to build cloaks. In transparent objects the waves just go through.
 
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DaleSpam said:
So what other optical properties or effects might a transparent object have that would be percievable by vision? Can you think of any other quantity that is often used to characterize transparent media?

I thought about it but I can't come up with anything else unfortunately.
 
Refraction. It is the thing that makes lenses work and makes straight sticks look bent when they go from water to air.
 
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DaleSpam said:
Refraction. It is the thing that makes lenses work and makes straight sticks look bent when they go from water to air.
But the medium of transmission is a smooth piece of glass.
 
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Yes. Do you know what refraction is? You may want to read about it.
 
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As DaleSpam points out, refraction makes even transparent objects "visible" because you can see the "bending" of light as it passes through the object. It is also true that the edges of any object, glass or whatever, are rough enough to scatter light, also making the object "visible"
 
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Chandra Prayaga said:
As DaleSpam points out, refraction makes even transparent objects "visible" because you can see the "bending" of light as it passes through the object.
But refraction occurs only when the light passes the boundary between media such as air and glass at an angle. It doesn't happen when the light hits the boundary in a direction perpendicular to the medium.
Isn't this relevant?
 
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DaleSpam said:
Yes. Do you know what refraction is? You may want to read about it.
I wasn't sure at first because English is not my first language but I brushed up on my knowledge of it. However, as I replied to Chandra Prayaga refraction occurs only when the light passes the boundary between media such as air and glass at an angle. It doesn't happen when the light hits the boundary in a direction perpendicular to the medium as far as I know.
Isn't this also of relevance when answering the question?
 
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Your eyes are not limited to viewing surfaces at right angles. Particularly with binocular vision, it would be unusual to find a transparent object positioned such that all of its surfaces were perpendicular to your vision.
 
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Even if you are looking at a smooth, transparent surface at right angles, a surface that has a refractive index different from air will cause reflection. It will look shiny.
 
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The youtube video above, is a demonstration of why the refractive index is important here, not just the transmission.
 

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