Why Is Friction Subtracted in Rotational Motion Calculations?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem in rotational motion involving a wheel that rolls without slipping. The scenario includes calculating the height a wheel reaches after rolling up a hill, considering the work done against friction.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the conservation of energy principle, questioning why the work done against friction is subtracted from the potential energy instead of added. Some participants affirm the original poster's equation, indicating a shared understanding of the problem setup.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes some affirmation of the original poster's approach, but there is no explicit consensus on the reasoning behind the subtraction of friction work. Participants are exploring the implications of the equation and the role of friction in the energy balance.

Contextual Notes

The problem involves specific values for the wheel's weight, radius, and moment of inertia, which may influence the calculations but are not fully explored in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


A 392N wheel comes off a moving truck and rolls without slipping along a highway. At the bottom of a hill it is rotating at 25.0 rad/s. The radius of the wheel is 0.600m and its moment of inertia about its axis of rotation is 0.800MR^2. Friction does work on the wheel as it rolls up the hill to a stop, a height h above the bottom of the hill; this work has absolute value 3500J. Calculate h.


Homework Equations



KE = (1/2)MV^2 + (1/2)(Icm)(W^2)

Principle of Conservation of energy

The Attempt at a Solution



What I did is use the fact that the sum of the translational and rotational kinetic energies at the bottom of the hill should be equal to the gain in the potential energy PLUS 3500J which is the work done against friction.

In other words,

(1/2)MV^2 + (1/2)(Icm)(W^2) = mgh + 3500.

However, the correct answer is obtained if in the above equation, 3500 is subtracted from mgh rather than added.

Can someone please explain why this is so. Subtracting makes no sense. It would simply mean that more the friction, h is greater since (1/2)MV^2 + (1/2)(Icm)(W^2) +3500 is greater then (1/2)MV^2 + (1/2)(Icm)(W^2) -3500.

Thank-you for your assistance.
 
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you're right.

"(1/2)MV^2 + (1/2)(Icm)(W^2) = mgh + 3500. "

is the correct equation...
 
Thanks!

Thanks for the re-assurance!:biggrin:
 
mit_hacker said:
Thanks for the re-assurance!:biggrin:

no prob. :)
 

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