Why Is My Attenuator Resistor Value Negative?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of resistor values for an 'O' attenuator, specifically addressing the issue of obtaining a negative resistor value from the calculations. Participants explore the implications of this result in the context of impedance matching and attenuation.

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  • One participant reports calculating a negative resistor value when using specific input and load impedances along with a given attenuation factor, questioning the interpretation of this result.
  • Another participant suggests that the circuit diagram resembles a ##\Pi## attenuator rather than an O-pad and raises the issue of minimum attenuation determined by source and load impedances.
  • A later reply indicates that a negative resistor value typically implies that the desired attenuation cannot be achieved with the given impedances, suggesting that a different matching circuit may be necessary.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the negative resistor value, with some suggesting it indicates a limitation in achieving the desired attenuation while others focus on the circuit configuration. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to address the negative value issue.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings of circuit configurations and the criteria for minimum attenuation based on impedance values. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps leading to the negative value.

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Hello, I am trying to work out the resistor values for an 'O' attenuator.
I am using the attached formula to work out resistor 3's value.
My values to insert into this formula are:

Input impedance (Z1) = 50 Ohm
Load impedance (Z2) = 600 Ohm
a =1.995

However when I substitute these figures I am getting a negative number result.
Obviously I can't have a negative Ohm resitor, so how do you interpret that ?

Thanks for any help
 

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Your circuit diagram looks like that of a ##\Pi## attenuator, not an O-pad.

There's a minimum attenuation that is determined by the source and load impedances. Have you checked to see whether or not your "a" value meets this criterion?
 
sorry, I attached the wrong image.
This is the O-pad attachment.

What does it mean when I get a negative value from one of the resistor formula calculations (as I am in this case).
Obviously I can't have negative Ohm resistors ?
 

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sorry, I attached the wrong image.
This is the O-pad attachment.

What does it mean when I get a negative value from one of the resistor formula calculations (as I am in this case).
Obviously I can't have negative Ohm resistors ?

Usually it means that you can't match the impedances while achieving the desired attenuation. There's a minimum amount of attenuation incurred when matching impedances that are not close; if your desired attenuation is less than this then some other type of matching circuit would be necessary.
 

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