Why is special relativity a local phenomenon?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the applicability of special relativity (SR) as a local phenomenon, particularly in relation to its implications for the Hubble Law. Participants explore the conditions under which SR is valid and the effects of spacetime curvature on its application.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that special relativity applies only locally because it is exact only for flat spacetime, which is not globally flat.
  • Others question whether the gravitational effects of galaxies and clusters are sufficient to invalidate SR on large scales.
  • A participant challenges the notion of invalidation by suggesting that if SR is not applicable on large scales, it cannot be invalidated in those contexts.
  • Another participant argues that the term "invalidate" refers to the inappropriate application of SR over large distances.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the implications of SR in explaining phenomena like gravity, questioning if this means SR is invalid in certain contexts.
  • There is a discussion about the difference between average spatial curvature and spacetime curvature, with a participant noting that GR describes gravity as curvature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of spacetime curvature for the validity of special relativity, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of local versus global applicability of special relativity and the specific conditions under which it may be considered valid or invalid.

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Where does the requirement come from that special relativity applies only locally? It is not immediately obvious from the two postulates. I'm asking because this is important for the validity of the Hubble Law.
 
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sunrah said:
Where does the requirement come from that special relativity applies only locally? It is not immediately obvious from the two postulates. I'm asking because this is important for the validity of the Hubble Law.

Special relativity applies only locally because special relativity is exact only for a flat spacetime, and spacetime is not globally flat. Thus, we can only use special relativity across regions of spacetime that are small enough that the curvature and gravitational effects are negligible.
 
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Thanks. I thought that spacetime was flat and with no discernible non-trivial topology. Do you mean that the gravitational effect of galaxies and clusters is enough to invalidate SR on large scales.?
 
sunrah said:
invalidate SR on large scales.?
What I have read from Nugatory in post #2 is that SR is not a large scale theory. So how could it be invalidated on scales it is not working in ?
 
That's splitting hairs. Invalidate here means that any application of SR over large distances would be invalid.
 
I don't understand what you mean. SR does not explains why an apple falls. Does it invalidate SR in our mind ? Is a hammer invalid because I cannot use it on a screw ?
 
sunrah said:
I thought that spacetime was flat and with no discernible non-trivial topology.

You're probably thinking of the average spatial curvature on cosmological scales. That's different from the spacetime curvature, which is definitely nonzero. GR describes gravity as curvature, so if there were no spacetime curvature, there would be no gravity in the universe.
 

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