Why is stress tensor (in this derivation) symmetric?

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The discussion revolves around the symmetry of the stress tensor in the context of fluid mechanics, specifically examining a derivation presented in an online tutorial. Participants explore the implications of torque, force equilibrium, and moment equilibrium on the behavior of a fluid element, questioning the conditions under which the stress tensor can be considered symmetric.

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  • One participant references a tutorial that states the second term in the torque equation must be zero to avoid absurdly large angular velocities, but questions why this term does not approach zero as the volume approaches zero.
  • Another participant asserts that the first and third terms cancel each other due to force equilibrium.
  • A participant requests clarification on the relationship between the first and third terms, questioning their independence and how this relates to the second term being zero.
  • Another participant explains that moment equilibrium is necessary for any small volume and that the corresponding force equilibrium leads to the cancellation of the first and third terms.
  • A participant expresses confusion about whether moment equilibrium is implicitly required in the torque equation and seeks clarification on the conditions for equilibrium and the choice of axis.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of moment equilibrium in the derivation. There are competing views regarding the independence of the first and third terms and their relationship to the second term.

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Participants highlight the need for clarity on the assumptions underlying the torque equation and the conditions for equilibrium, indicating that the discussion involves nuanced interpretations of the terms involved.

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First by "this derivation" I'm referring to an online tutorial: http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/336L/Fluidhtml/node9.html

It's said in the above tutorial that the ##i-th## component of the total torque acting on a fluid element is

##\tau_i = \int_V \epsilon_{ijk} \cdot x_{j} \cdot F_{k} \cdot dV + \int_V \epsilon_{ijk} \cdot \sigma_{kj} \cdot dV + \int_V \epsilon_{ijk} \cdot x_{j} \cdot \frac{\partial \sigma_{kl}}{\partial x_{l}} \cdot dV## -- (*)

where

##\epsilon_{ijk}## is the permutation tensor (http://mathworld.wolfram.com/PermutationTensor.html),

##F_{i}## is the i-th component of the "volume force" acting on the fluid element

and ##\sigma_{ij}## is the "stress tensor" such that the i-th component of the total force acting on the fluid element is

##f_{i} = \int_V F_{i} \cdot dV + \oint_{S=\partial V} \sigma_{ij} \cdot dS_{j}##

The tutorial states that (slightly rephrased but tried to keep the same meaning)

the second term must be identically zero (otherwise an infinitesimal fluid element would acquire an absurdly large angular velocity)

from

Assuming that point ##O## lies within the fluid element, and taking the limit ##V \rightarrow 0## in which the ##F_i##, ##\sigma_{ij}##, and ##\frac{\partial \sigma_{ij}}{\partial x_j}## are all approximately constant across the element, we deduce that the first, second, and third terms on the right-hand side of the above equation scale as ##V^{4/3}, V, V^{4/3}##, respectively (since ##x \sim V^{1/3}##). Now, according to Newtonian dynamics, the ##i-component## of the total torque acting on the fluid element is equal to the ##i-component## of the rate of change of its net angular momentum about ##O##. Assuming that the linear acceleration of the fluid is approximately constant across the element, we deduce that the rate of change of its angular momentum scales as ##V^{4/3}##(since the net linear acceleration scales as ##V##, so the net rate of change of angular momentum scales as ##xV##, and ##x \sim V^{1/3}##). Hence, it is clear that the rotational equation of motion of a fluid element, surrounding a general point ##O##, becomes completely dominated by the second term. It follows that the second term must be identically zero (otherwise an infinitesimal fluid element would acquire an absurdly large angular velocity)

where "the second term" means ##\int_V \epsilon_{ijk} \cdot \sigma_{kj} \cdot dV## in (*).

It's not obvious to me why "the second term" doesn't approximate ##0## when ##V \rightarrow 0## but instead induces absurdly large angular velocity as it "scales as ##V## and ##V \rightarrow 0##".

I understand that it's worth considering ##V \ll 1## thus ##V \gg V^{4/3}## but this is not convincing enough for me to take "the second term" to ##0## and yield the symmetry of ##\sigma_{ij}##. For example, I could argue that even if the ##x_j## factor satisfies ##x_j \ll 1##, i.e. fluid element very close to point ##O##, in the first and third terms, it only makes the first and third terms "small" but NOT necessarily makes the second term "large" especially when ##V \rightarrow 0##.
 
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The first and third term cancel each other due to force equilibrium.
 
Hi @Orodruin, sorry for the late response, I spent sometime reading the following chapters in the same tutorial and found that I still have problems in understanding this question.

Would you please explain or show some reference for

Orodruin said:
The first and third term cancel each other due to force equilibrium.

Why is the 1st term having such strong relationship with the 3rd one? In my understanding they're independent to each other (like, having different "origins"? I can't define this well at the moment) and they're just added together in equation (*).

Moreover how is your answer related to that "the 2nd term must be identically zero"?
 
Just like for any equilibrium, you need to have force as well as moment equilibrium for any small volume. You are currently working with the moment equilibrium and so you are writing down the moment acting on a small volume. The corresponding argumentation for the force equilibrium will give you ##F_i + \partial_j \sigma_{ij} = 0## and therefore your first and third terms will cancel out.

Requiring moment equilibrium then is giving that the second term is zero. This must be true for any volume and therefore the integrand must be zero.
 
Is "moment equilibrium" required implicitly in equation (*)? I'm afraid this is the essential point by which I'm confused :)

To my understanding by equation (*) I'm looking at the ##i-th## component of torque of a "fluid element" wrt a "might be randomly chosen" axis ##O##, and this "fluid element" is NOT EXPLICITLY REQUIRED to be static in this chapter (in fact, static fluid is discussed right in the following chapter: http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/336L/Fluidhtml/node10.html).

It's reasonable that the "fluid element" is not static but it's also required to match some kind of "equilibrium conditions", e.g. what you mentioned above, however this is not quite obvious to me. Would you mind explaining more explicitly? Is there any constraint on choosing the axis?

Btw, did you mean ##F_i + \frac{\partial \sigma_{ij}}{\partial x_i} dV = 0## by force equilibrium? The units would match in this way and it makes sense to me.
 

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