Why is the Lagrangian density for fields treated as a functional in QFT?

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The discussion revolves around the treatment of the Lagrangian density in quantum field theory (QFT) as a functional, particularly in the context of the Euler-Lagrange equations for scalar fields. Participants explore the implications of this treatment, questioning the definitions and notations used in various texts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the Euler-Lagrange equation suggests that the Lagrangian density \(\mathcal{L}\) is treated as a functional, raising questions about the appropriateness of this characterization since \(\mathcal{L}\) is a function of fields and their derivatives.
  • One participant argues that the action is the true functional, while the variational derivatives of the Lagrangian density should be considered distributions.
  • Another participant questions the necessity of a functional derivative of \(\mathcal{L}\), emphasizing that it is a function of \((\phi, \partial_\mu \phi)\) and suggesting that differentiation should be treated as a function with respect to \(\partial_\mu \phi\).
  • A later reply suggests that the notation using \(\delta\) for these derivatives is a common abuse of notation, intended to distinguish them from coordinate derivatives denoted by \(\partial_\mu\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the Lagrangian density should be treated as a functional, with some supporting the notion while others challenge it. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the appropriateness of the notation and the definitions involved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions of functionals and the treatment of variational derivatives, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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This is probably a minor point, but I have seen in some QFT texts the Euler-Lagrange equation for a scalar field,

\partial_{\mu} \left(\frac{\delta \cal{L}}{\delta (\partial_{\mu}\phi)}\right) - \frac{\delta \cal L}{\delta \phi }=0

i.e. \cal L is treated like a functional (seen from the \delta symbol). But why would it be a functional? Functonals map functions into numbers, and in our case \cal L is a function of the fields (and their derivatives).
 
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If you want to be completely rigorous, the action is the true functional. The variational derivatives of the Lagrangian (density) should be considered distributions.
 
But why should there be a functional derivative of \cal L? we have \cal L which is a function of (\phi, \partial_\mu \phi) and we differentiate (as a function) with respect to \partial_\mu \phi
 
spookyfish said:
This is probably a minor point, but I have seen in some QFT texts the Euler-Lagrange equation for a scalar field,

\partial_{\mu} \left(\frac{\delta \cal{L}}{\delta (\partial_{\mu}\phi)}\right) - \frac{\delta \cal L}{\delta \phi }=0

i.e. \cal L is treated like a functional (seen from the \delta symbol). But why would it be a functional? Functonals map functions into numbers, and in our case \cal L is a function of the fields (and their derivatives).
If they wrote it that way it's a misprint. The derivatives should be ∂'s, not δ's.
 
spookyfish said:
But why should there be a functional derivative of \cal L? we have \cal L which is a function of (\phi, \partial_\mu \phi) and we differentiate (as a function) with respect to \partial_\mu \phi

It's common to abuse the notation and use ##\delta## for these derivatives in order to distinguish them from the coordinate derivatives ##\partial_\mu##.
 

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