Why is the no v kinematic equation helpful for solving kinematics problems?

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The discussion revolves around the "no v" kinematic equation, specifically the equation $x={x}_{o}+{v}_{o}t+a{t}^{2}/2$. Participants explore the order of operations when evaluating this equation and the reasoning behind its designation as a "no v" equation. The conversation touches on the application of kinematic equations in problem-solving contexts.

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  • One participant questions why the term $a{t}^{2}/2$ should be solved first in the equation, suggesting a potential misunderstanding of the order of operations.
  • Another participant clarifies that there is no specific requirement to evaluate $a{t}^{2}/2$ first, indicating that calculations can be performed in any order.
  • A third participant notes that the power of 2 on $t$ might contribute to the OP's phrasing of "first," implying a possible confusion regarding the evaluation process.
  • Discussion includes a breakdown of the four kinematic equations, explaining their designations based on which variable is absent, which may aid in understanding their application.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of evaluating $a{t}^{2}/2$ first, with some suggesting it is not required while others imply that the phrasing may lead to confusion. The discussion does not reach a consensus on this point.

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There is an underlying assumption that participants are familiar with kinematic equations and their applications. The discussion does not resolve the potential confusion regarding the order of operations in evaluating the equation.

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In the no v kinematic equation, $x={x}_{o}+{v}_{o}t+a{t}^{2}/2$, why do you have to solve $a{t}^{2}/2$ first before solving down completely?
 
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Hello and welcome to MHB! (Wave)

What do you mean by "solve $at^2/2$ first?"
 
Since t has the power of 2 for the acceleration, perhaps this is why the OP has stated "first" . . .?
Also, jsspoon, is there any specific question regarding the kinematic equation?
 
If by "solve" you simply mean "evaluate x for a given value of t", you do not need to evaluate [math]\frac{1}{2}at^2[/math]. You can do the calculations in any order. If you mean "solve for t for a given value of x", again there is nothing special about the [math]\frac{1}{2}at^2[/math] term- you can use the quadratic formula to solve.

And why was this called "no v kinematic equation"?
 
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HallsofIvy said:
If by "solve" you simply mean "evaluate x for a given value of t", you do not need to evaluate [math]\frac{1}{2}at^2[/math]. You can do the calculations in any order. If you mean "solve for t for a given value of x", again there is nothing special about the [math]\frac{1}{2}at^2[/math] term- you can use the quadratic formula to solve.

And why was this called "no v kinematic equation"?

The OP'er was one of my students, and we had labels for the four kinematic equations:
\begin{align*}
y&=y_0+v_{0y}t+a_y t^2/2 \qquad \text{no }v_y \\
\Delta y&=(v_y+v_{0y})t/2 \qquad \text{no }a_y \\
v_y&=v_{0y}+a_y t \qquad \text{no }y \\
v_y^2&=v_{0y}^2+2a_y \Delta y \qquad \text{no }t.
\end{align*}
Since, in kinematics, there are basically four players: $y, v_y, a_y, t$, there's one kinematic equation corresponding to which kinematic variable is missing. Knowing these four equations helps the students with the algebra, because they can just solve the one they need, and not necessarily have to plug one equation into another.
 

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