Why Is the Potential Infinite at the End of a Charged Rod?

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The discussion revolves around the potential due to a charged insulating rod, specifically addressing the behavior of the potential at the edge of the rod. Participants explore the implications of infinite potential at the rod's end and the physical interpretations of such results.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes encountering infinite potential at the end of a charged insulating rod when calculating the potential, questioning the physical sense of this result.
  • Another participant challenges the need to find potential between two points on the rod, suggesting that the potential would be zero if the rod is uniformly charged.
  • A different participant clarifies that the potential is relative to a zero potential at infinity and discusses the integration of dV over the rod to obtain V.
  • One participant suggests that the infinite potential reflects the limitations of the model, proposing that a uniform charge on a one-dimensional object will always yield infinite potential at its own location, advocating for a higher-dimensional model instead.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of infinite potential at the end of the rod, with no consensus reached on the physical interpretation or the validity of the model used.

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The discussion highlights limitations in modeling a charged rod as a one-dimensional object, raising questions about the assumptions made regarding charge distribution and dimensionality.

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Hi all!

So I've been doing some work with potential calculations, and I seem to be running into a bit of trouble with figuring out how to think about the potential due to a rod at the very edge of it.

Imagine an insulating rod with charge Q is placed along the positive x-axis, with its left end at the origin. I can calculate the potential anywhere on the y-axis, and anywhere on the negative x-axis quite easily. But when I try to take the limiting case of a point at the left end of the rod, something strange happens: I can let y approach 0, or x approach 0 in either of the expressions, and I find that the potential at the end of the rod is infinite. This is because the potential contains the natural log.

I contend that this doesn't make physical sense! You see, what if I had instead charged the rod to a charge Q+q. If the potential when charge Q is already on the rod is infinite at the end, how can I place the extra bit q on the rod? But I know that Q can have any value, which means I should be able to make Q large enough that it includes that extra bit, had I wanted to from the start.
 
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I don't understand. Why are you trying to find the potential between 2 points on the rod if the rod is charged with Q? Wouldn't there be 0 potential?
 
I think not- for one, it's not a conductor, and for two this is relative to a 0 potential at infinity, the way that I'm thinking about it (I'm integrating dV over the entire rod to get V, but this all presupposes that V=0 at infinite distances).
 
schaefera said:
I think not- for one, it's not a conductor, and for two this is relative to a 0 potential at infinity, the way that I'm thinking about it (I'm integrating dV over the entire rod to get V, but this all presupposes that V=0 at infinite distances).

Do you have a charge on the end of the rod, or is the whole rod charged?
 
schaefera said:
Imagine an insulating rod with charge Q is placed along the positive x-axis, with its left end at the origin. I can calculate the potential anywhere on the y-axis, and anywhere on the negative x-axis quite easily. But when I try to take the limiting case of a point at the left end of the rod, something strange happens: I can let y approach 0, or x approach 0 in either of the expressions, and I find that the potential at the end of the rod is infinite. This is because the potential contains the natural log.
I contend that this doesn't make physical sense!
The defiance of physical sense reflects the unreality of the model. A uniform charge over a one-dimensional manifold will always produce infinite potential on the manifold itself.
To avoid this you need to make it at least 2 dimensional, but might as well make it 3. 5.8.7 in http://www.astro.uvic.ca/~tatum/celmechs/celm5.pdf derives the (gravitational) potential due to a uniform solid cylinder.
 

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