Why is the voltage dropping down in my rectifier-regulator circuit?

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The discussion revolves around the voltage drop observed in a rectifier-regulator circuit designed for an RFID tag. Participants explore potential reasons for the discrepancy between simulated and actual performance, particularly focusing on the behavior of the rectifier when connected to the regulator under load conditions.

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  • One participant notes that the open circuit voltage of an unregulated voltage source is typically higher than when a load is applied, questioning the initial conditions described.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on whether the 500mV input was RMS or peak, suggesting that simulators may lead to misunderstandings about circuit behavior.
  • A participant proposes the possibility of incorrect rectifier connections leading to unexpected voltage behavior, such as acting as a voltage multiplier, and mentions the voltage drop across diodes.
  • Concerns are raised about the need for headroom in linear regulators, referencing the LM7805 as an example.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the reliability of simulation tools, suggesting they may not adequately prepare users for practical circuit design.

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Participants express various viewpoints regarding the causes of the voltage drop, with no consensus reached on the specific reasons or solutions. Multiple competing explanations and hypotheses are presented.

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Participants highlight potential limitations in understanding due to the use of simulators, the need for clarification on input voltage specifications, and the importance of circuit configuration. There are unresolved questions about the actual circuit design and its implications for performance.

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Voltage is dropping down !

Hi Folks,

I have designed a rectifier and regulator for RFID Tag. Both are working fine when they are simulated independently.
When I gave 500mV as input to 4-stage rectifier, I got 1V output for open load ckt condition.

Now, I have connected rectifier to regulator. Rectifier output is 500mV. What may be the reason? Because of the load, current decreases. That is fair. But why voltage is decreasing? Any clue. When regulator has run independently, it consumes 836nW of power. I am in desperate need of help. Pls help me.
 
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Open circuit voltage of an unregulated voltage source will always be higher than when a load is applied

your description seems a bit odd ...
When I gave 500mV as input to 4-stage rectifier

what does that mean ?

Now, I have connected rectifier to regulator.

what sort of regulator ?

would you please like to show a circuit diagram of your project so it could be understood and fault diagnosed easier :)



Dave
 
You "gave the circuit 500mV".
Was this 500mV RMS? / Peak?
These simulators have a lot to answer for, you know. They make it possible to launch into things you may just not be ready for. What actual answers were you expecting, on the basis of your knowledge of electronics - and why?
 
I'm new here, but what if you hooked up the rectifier incorrectly? Could you wind up with a voltage multiplier with what you have? that would explain it, also don't forget that a diode will drop approx 1.5 V.

I just caught the tail end of this, but having used simulators before, I was quite impressed with they're usefulness and they seemed to work very well.
 
shadtek said:
I'm new here, but what if you hooked up the rectifier incorrectly? Could you wind up with a voltage multiplier with what you have? that would explain it, also don't forget that a diode will drop approx 1.5 V.

I just caught the tail end of this, but having used simulators before, I was quite impressed with they're usefulness and they seemed to work very well.

Imo, where simple circuits are concerned, all simulators do is to save the trouble of building something but they can often be used as a substitute for
1. Thought
and
2. Learning stuff.
But then, I still value the idea of knowing your multiplication tables.
 
Even commercial linear regulars, such as the LM7805, need some head room.

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