Why is this force considered in the moment equation?

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The discussion revolves around the application of the moment equation in a statics problem involving a truss structure. Participants are examining the inclusion of specific forces in the moment calculations and the reasoning behind their lever arm distances.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why a force that acts directly through the point of the moment is included in the moment equation, specifically regarding a 30k force.
  • Another participant agrees with the initial equation proposed but expresses confusion about the professor's approach.
  • Some participants suggest that the horizontal component of a force (FA) may have been overlooked in the calculations.
  • A hint is provided that the 30k force at point H is not the force being used in the moments equation, implying that a free body diagram (FBD) may clarify the situation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to the problem. There are competing views regarding the inclusion of certain forces in the moment equation and the interpretation of the lever arm distances.

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Some assumptions about the forces acting on the truss and their components may not be fully articulated, leading to confusion in the application of the moment equation. The discussion highlights the need for a clear free body diagram to visualize the forces involved.

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Homework Statement


After reviewing a quiz I had in Statics, I realized I did not understand why a certain force was considered in the moments equation. If a force goes directly through the point of the moment, it is not considered when solving for a force using moments.

The question is asking us to use the method of sections by splitting the truss from section 1-1 and find the force in member BC.

Homework Equations


ΣMH=0
By the way, I substituted kips for k.

The Attempt at a Solution


ΣME=0 → -Ay(60 ft) +(40k)(45 ft)+ (40k)(30 ft)+ (40k)(15 ft)-(30k)(20 ft)=0.
Ay=50k.

The equation I would have used to find FBC: ΣMH=0 → -50k(15 ft) + FBC(20 ft)=0.
The equation the professor used to get the correct answer for the force along member BC: ΣMH=0 → (-30k)(20 ft) -50k(15 ft) + FBC(20 ft)=0

Why is the 30k force considered when it points directly into H? I understand it being used to find the moment about E, but not for the moment about H. Also, why is the lever arm distance 20 ft when the force is right at H?
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I can't see how the professor came up with the equation that he/she did. Your equation looks correct to me.
 
Jarvis88 said:
The equation I would have used to find FBC: ΣMH=0 →

You have not taken into account the horizontal component of FA.
 
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NascentOxygen said:
You have not taken into account the horizontal component of FA.
I looked at this for, not a long time, but a fair amount of time, considering, "Is there any other force that I am not seeing?" And still I missed it. :(
 
Hint: It's NOT the 30kips force at H they are using in the moments equation. My guess is you hadn't drawn a FBD of the bridge showing all the forces acting on it.
 

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