Why is this length included when finding moment about an axis

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the calculation of moments about an axis in a 3D system involving a crank shaft and various forces acting on it. The original poster describes a scenario with specific dimensions and forces, seeking clarification on the methodology presented in their textbook.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to reconcile their understanding of moment calculations with the textbook's approach, questioning the inclusion of certain distances in the moment equation. Some participants suggest examining the general equations for summing moments and clarify the dimensions involved. Others express confusion regarding the dimensions and the application of forces in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's concerns, providing insights into the moment calculation process and discussing the relevance of specific distances. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the 3D representation, and the original poster expresses a desire to seek further clarification from a professor.

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The original poster notes that certain dimensions and forces may not be relevant to the moment calculation, indicating a focus on understanding the relationships between forces and distances in a multi-dimensional context. There is also mention of potential confusion arising from the representation of the problem in 3D.

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Homework Statement


I have to find reaction at the joints but that's not important. I'm having trouble understanding what the book is doing but first allow me to explain the diagram so there is no confusion because 3D pictures are kinda hard to draw. In the first diagram there is a crank shaft running along the y axis. 0.1 m after point B it goes down 0.2 m along the z axis and then 0.1 m along the y axis.A is a thrust bearing and B is a smooth journal bearing

Homework Equations



statistical equilibrium equations apply here

The Attempt at a Solution


When finding the moment about the z axis the equation should look something like this according to me.
Bx(0.5+0.6)- ux x rCA x F = 0
rCA=-0.1i - 1.3j + 0.2k
and ux = i
but here is how the book does it.
Bx(0.5+0.6) - F(0.2+0.1+0.6+0.5) = 0
Now I understand to find the moment about an axis I have to take the force and multiply it by the perpendicular distance between the force and a point on the axis. This works if both the axis and the force lie on one plane. When dealing with multiple planes I have to take the cross product. But I really have no idea why the book is doing what its doing. Can someone tell me if my equation is right or not and also explain why the book simply takes all the distances involved in getting from C to A and adds them without any regard of which axis they follow. Ask for clarification if I did a bad job of explaining.
 

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Your dimensioning seems off, and I don't know what happened to the 75 kg load, but in any case you can solve by noting that in general , summing all moments about an axis
Mx = Fy(z) + Fz(y), My = Fz(x) + Fx(z), and Mz = Fx(y) + Fy(x). x, y , and z are perpendicular distances. Looks like for solving Bx, solution used last equation with x = 0. No need to fool with cross product.
 
yes like I said 3d images are hard to draw. don't worry about the load its not important to my question because it doesn't have an x or y component to cause rotation about the z axis. I know how to find the moment about an axis I'm just having trouble with the distances. There are two forces that produce a moment about z axis. The force F and the reaction force at B. I understand how the distance for the reaction force was calculated. but not for F. using the equation you gave me
Mz = Fx(y) + Fy(x) (I'm assuming this is how you meant it)
Since the force F acts only in the x direction Fy is 0 as a result Fy(x) is 0. this leaves me with Fx = F and y = 0.2
so Mz = 0.2F
this is still different than
F(0.2+0.1+0.6+0.5)
 
It is not a good idea to denote an applied force as F, since F is more of a general term to designate a Force; you should use a different letter like P for example to designate the applied force. But anyway, apparently moments are being summed about joint A to solve for Bx, so the y distance for the applied force F (or P if you will) is the distance along the y-axis from P to A, which is difficult to determine from your sketch (looks to me like 0.6 + 0.5 + 0.1 + 0.1, the way you have described it, not drawn it). y is certainly not 0.2, that is a z dimension yielding a moment about the y axis.
 
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Yes the 0.2 is on the z axis my bad I'm kinda frustrated with this. and you got the numbers just right. The moments are being summed about the z axis. The reason A isn't included is because the Z axis passes through it so A can't produce any moment about z. It seems my drawing is more confusing than I thought. I'll wait till monday and ask a professor instead. thanks for trying to help.
 

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