Why Don't Rotations Contribute to the Average Energy of a Monatomic Gas?

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The discussion revolves around the reasons why rotational degrees of freedom do not contribute to the average energy of a monatomic gas. Participants explore concepts from classical and quantum physics, examining the implications of moment of inertia and energy quantization on rotational motion.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the average energy for each degree of freedom in a thermodynamic system is kT/2, leading to a total of 3kT/2 for a monatomic gas, which only considers translational motion.
  • Others argue that rotational energy may be significant and that the assumption of no rotational or internal degrees of freedom for atoms is incorrect, citing exceptions at high temperatures.
  • A participant suggests that if the moment of inertia is very small, it implies that particles would need to spin extremely fast to achieve the average energy of kT/2 for each rotational axis, raising questions about the feasibility of such rapid spinning.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of quantized rotational energy levels, explaining that for monatomic gas particles, the ground state has zero rotational energy, and higher energy states are significantly above kT/2, leading to a negligible contribution from rotations at room temperature.
  • Some participants note that while electronic degrees of freedom exist, they require high temperatures to become relevant, thus not playing a major role in typical conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of rotational energy in monatomic gases, with some supporting the traditional view of negligible contributions while others highlight the potential significance of quantum effects and high-temperature scenarios. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent to which rotations may contribute under varying conditions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the applicability of classical physics to monatomic gases, the dependence on temperature for the activation of rotational states, and the lack of consensus on the impact of quantum mechanics on energy contributions.

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Greetings, this is my first post, though I have been reading these forums for a while.

I understand that the average energy of each degree of freedom in a thermodynamic system in equilibrium is kT/2. My textbook says that for a monatomic gas particle, the only degrees of freedom that count are movement in three dimensional space, so the average energy of such a particle is 3kT/2.

My question is, why don't rotations contribute toward the average energy? My textbook suggests that this is because the moment of inertia is vanishingly small. However, my thought is that if the moment of inertia is very small, it just means that the particle would be spinning extremely fast in order to reach an average energy of kT/2 for each rotational axis.

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Your description is one of classical physics. You are correct: rotational energy may be significant.

Try these sections in this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_capacity#The_storage_of_energy_into_degrees_of_freedom


The effect of quantum energy levels in storing energy in degrees of freedom
Energy storage mode "freeze-out" temperatures



It should be noted that it has been assumed that atoms have no rotational or internal degrees of freedom. This is in fact untrue. For example, atomic electrons can exist in excited states and even the atomic nucleus can have excited states as well. Each of these internal degrees of freedom are assumed to be frozen out due to their relatively high excitation energy. Nevertheless, for sufficiently high temperatures, these degrees of freedom cannot be ignored. In a few exceptional cases, such molecular electronic transitions are of sufficiently low energy that they contribute to heat capacity at room temperature, or even at cryogenic temperatures. One example of an electronic transition degree of freedom which contributes heat capacity at standard temperature is that of nitric oxide (NO), in which the single electron in an anti-bonding molecular orbital has energy transitions which contribute to the heat capacity of the gas even at room temperature.
 


sanbyakuman said:
However, my thought is that if the moment of inertia is very small, it just means that the particle would be spinning extremely fast in order to reach an average energy of kT/2 for each rotational axis.
If that was correct, you need a way to apply forces to a particle to make it spin very fast. It's not very obvious how that would work.

Making an unsymmetrical object like a diatomic molecule spin isn't a problem. All you have to do is hit one end of it in a collusion, for example.
 


sanbyakuman said:
Greetings, this is my first post, though I have been reading these forums for a while.

I understand that the average energy of each degree of freedom in a thermodynamic system in equilibrium is kT/2. My textbook says that for a monatomic gas particle, the only degrees of freedom that count are movement in three dimensional space, so the average energy of such a particle is 3kT/2.

My question is, why don't rotations contribute toward the average energy? My textbook suggests that this is because the moment of inertia is vanishingly small. However, my thought is that if the moment of inertia is very small, it just means that the particle would be spinning extremely fast in order to reach an average energy of kT/2 for each rotational axis.

sanbyakuman

Its a quantum mechanics effect. The rotational energy of a monatomic gas particle is quantized, it has a ground value of zero, and then it jumps to a non zero energy for the first (rotationally) excited state, and then a higher number for the second, etc. If the energy of the first excited state is much, much larger than kT/2, then there won't be many particles in that state, or any higher state. For all practical purposes you can say that all particles are in the ground state - that is, they are not rotating. For a monatomic gas at room temperature, this is the case. If you raise the temperature of a monatomic gas high enough, there will be a significant number of particles in the first and possibly higher excited states, and then you cannot assume that they are not rotating, and the average energy per particle will be higher than 3kT/2.
 


single atoms are considered to not be able to rotate. this is taught in basic statistical mechanics. there are electronic degrees of freedom but they require such high temperature to excite for most molecules that they don't play a major role.
 


Thanks everyone for your replies. I understand now.
 

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