Why Must an Incandescent Bulb Filament Have a Low Evaporation Rate?

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The discussion revolves around the necessity for an incandescent bulb filament to have a low evaporation rate below its melting point. Participants explore the implications of filament thinning due to evaporation, its effects on resistance, power consumption, and the overall brightness of the bulb.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if the filament metal evaporates, it would get thinner, potentially affecting the bulb's performance.
  • Others argue that thinning would lead to increased resistance, which would decrease the power consumed by the bulb and make it dimmer.
  • A participant questions whether the resistance of the filament would increase, suggesting that this could lead to a brighter bulb if power consumption were to increase.
  • There is a discussion about the fate of the evaporated metal atoms, with some suggesting they would condense on the cooler glass surface of the bulb, leading to darkening over time.
  • Participants note that non-uniform thinning of the filament could result in non-uniform resistance, which may affect the temperature distribution along the filament.
  • One participant speculates that thinner points on the filament would have higher temperatures due to increased resistance, potentially reducing the bulb's lifespan.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the consequences of filament thinning and evaporation, indicating that multiple competing views remain regarding the implications for bulb performance and lifespan. The discussion does not reach a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the behavior of the filament and the effects of evaporation are not fully explored, and the discussion includes unresolved questions about the specific consequences of non-uniform thinning.

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Hello here

Why is it necessary that the filament of an Incandescent bulb to have low evaporation rate below melting point?
 
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What things do you picture might eventually happen if metal kept evaporating off the hot filament?
 
Gets thinner
 
Simon Clement said:
Gets thinner
But the bulb should still be OK
 
Simon Clement said:
Gets thinner
Would that be a problem?
 
Resistance would increase and thus power consumed by bulb decreases. Bulb gets dimmer.
 
Simon Clement said:
Can I say the resistance if the filament would increase?

Then that would make the power consumed by bulb brighter and hence bulb brighter.
If the bulb became thinner, its resistance would increase, certainly. This means it will draw decreasing current.

In reality, it won't become uniformly thinner, some areas will lose more metal than others.

What do you think will become of the atoms of metal that have evaporated off the hot filament?
 
They would fall off from the metal. Most likely landing on the soft glass of the bulb
 
Simon Clement said:
They would fall off from the metal. Most likely landing on the soft glass of the bulb
Condensing on the cool (i.e., cooler) glass surface, and as the layer of metal builds, the glass seems to darken.
 
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Ooh OK. So the bulb gets dimmer due to increased resistance and due to the to the evaporated black particles of the filament.
 
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Simon Clement said:
Ooh OK. So the bulb gets dimmer due to increased resistance and due to the to the evaporated black particles of the filament.
Yes, a combination of two effects.

But it's a decrease in the average[/color] brightness of the thinning filament, that we observe. If the filament becomes non-uniform in thickness, then we can expect it will have non-uniform resistance along its length. What might be a consequence of this?
 
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Nothing coming to my mind.

Except that the luminous Flux won't be same along the filament. But even if that's true, I'm guessing we won't be able to observe that variation.
 
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We would not discern variations with the naked eye, but sensitive instruments should be able to pick up non-uniform emission. Also, as evaporation continued, some points along the filament might experience significant thinning. How would this influence the temperature at those points along the filament?
 
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Temperature at thinner points would be higher than less thinner points as the have higher resistance.

Since filament is tungsten, I don't think the temperature would be high enough to melt the filament even with the increased temperature.

I would say life of the bulb would decrease.
 
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You should now be in a position to speculate on the sequence of events that marks the catastrophic end point in the life of an incandescent bulb. :cool:
 
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Thank you very much. I get it better now.
 
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