Why ##\omega=0## for a matter dominated universe?

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The discussion revolves around the equation of state parameter, ω, for a matter-dominated universe, specifically addressing why ω is considered to be 0 in this context. Participants explore the implications of non-relativistic gas behavior, the ideal gas law, and the relationship between pressure and energy density in different regimes, including early universe conditions.

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  • One participant derives the relationship between pressure and energy density for a non-relativistic gas, concluding that ω should equal 2/3.
  • Another participant challenges this by stating that the kinetic energy of each particle is k_BT/2 per spatial dimension, arguing that for non-relativistic conditions, P is much less than ρ, leading to ω being approximately 0.
  • A later reply reiterates the argument that for non-relativistic conditions, P approaches 0, supporting the notion that ω is effectively 0.
  • Participants discuss the behavior of matter in the early universe, suggesting that it behaved like radiation before becoming non-relativistic over time.
  • There is a mention of the pressure relationship for relativistic particles, introducing the variable β and its implications for the equation of state.

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Participants express differing views on the derivation of ω for a matter-dominated universe, with some asserting that ω should be 2/3 based on their calculations, while others argue that ω is 0 due to the conditions of non-relativistic gas behavior. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views presented.

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There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding the conditions under which the gas is considered non-relativistic, as well as the dependence on definitions of pressure and energy density in different contexts.

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From the energy equation E=m0c2/√(1-v2/c2) for non-relativistic gas molecules (v<<c) ,E reduces to m0c2...(1)
From ideal gas law PV=nRT
P=nRT/V
P=nkBNAT/V
P=(nNA)kBT/V
P=(nNAm0)kBT/v
P=mtotalkBT/vm0
P=(mtotal/V)kBT/m0
P=ρkBT/m0
(If n moles of a gas is taken in volume V at temp T and volume V,m0 being the mass of each molecule at equipibrium)
From equipartition theorem

3/2kBT=m0c2(total energy of each molecule)
kBT/m0=2/3c2
Putting this in P becomes
P=2/3ρc2
P=2/3ε(energy density)
Therefore (P=ωε) ω=2/3 (Nonrelativistic gas)
But for matter dominated universe we take ω=0
Why is it so??
 
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Apashanka said:
3/2kBT=m0c2(total energy of each molecule)
This is wrong. The kinetic energy of each particle is ##k_BT/2## per spatial dimension. For a gas to be non-relativistic, you need ##T \ll m_0## and so very little of the energy density is due to the kinetic energy due to thermal motion. In fact, it is exactly the reason why ##P \ll \rho## and therefore ##w \simeq 0##.
 
Orodruin said:
This is wrong. The kinetic energy of each particle is ##k_BT/2## per spatial dimension. For a gas to be non-relativistic, you need ##T \ll m_0## and so very little of the energy density is due to the kinetic energy due to thermal motion. In fact, it is exactly the reason why ##P \ll \rho## and therefore ##w \simeq 0##.
Ok it will be then P=εv2/3c2 and for NR v<<c and therefore P~0.
Thanks I got it now.
 
Apashanka said:
Ok it will be then P=εv2/3c2 and for NR v<<c and therefore P~0.
Thanks I got it now.
Yup! Which means that in the very early universe, matter behaved like radiation. This fact complicates the expansion history early-on, as matter became non-relativistic over time.
 
kimbyd said:
Yup! Which means that in the very early universe, matter behaved like radiation. This fact complicates the expansion history early-on, as matter became non-relativistic over time.
For relativistic particles P=β2/(3+3β2/2)ε , isn't it?? where β=v/c and for non relativistic it is only (β2/3)ε
 
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