Why particles have group velocity?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of wave functions in quantum mechanics, specifically addressing why particles are described using wave packets rather than single wave functions. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications related to quantum mechanics.

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  • Some participants express confusion about the necessity of using wave packets instead of a single wave function to describe particles.
  • One participant references a textbook, "Quantum Mechanics Concepts and Applications," to support their point about wave packets.
  • Another participant explains that a single wave function is unnormalizable and lacks a defined position, while a wave packet has both position and momentum with associated variances.
  • It is noted that a wave packet can be viewed as a sum of simpler wave functions through Fourier expansion, drawing an analogy to the representation of a number as a sum of its digits.
  • One participant mentions that in solid state physics, wave functions are used to solve the Schrödinger equation, but the wave packet model helps bridge the gap between quantum mechanics and classical physics.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity and interpretation of wave packets versus single wave functions, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of wave functions and wave packets, as well as the unresolved nature of the conceptual transition from quantum mechanics to classical interpretations.

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I just confused about it.Why can't we discribe a particle just one wave function instead of wave packet(group of waves with different phase velocities)?
 
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And how would you do that ?
Can you quote context, reference, example ?
 
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My referance is Quantum Mechanics Concepts and Applications
Second Education written by Nouredine Zettili
Page is 38 section 1.8 Wave Packets
 
Doesn't help me.

In general:
A single wave function for a particle is generally a summation (integral) with an average position and average momentum.
A single wave of the type ##\psi = e^{ikx}## is unnormalizable in ##x##, has infinitely sharp momentum (##\hbar k##) but no position.

A wave packet (e.a gaussian wave packet, which google) has a position (with some variance) and a momentum (with some variance). A phase velocity and a group velocity.
 
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And, eh, a belated ##\quad ## :welcome: ##\quad ## !
 
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arda said:
I just confused about it.Why can't we discribe a particle just one wave function instead of wave packet(group of waves with different phase velocities)?
A wave packet is one wave function. But it can be written as a sum of other, simpler wave functions. This sum is nothing but the Fourier expansion (or transform) of the wave function. It is not much different from the fact that 375 is one number, but it can be written as a sum of simpler numbers as
$$375 = 3\cdot 100 + 7\cdot 10 + 5\cdot 1$$
With an abuse of language, someone could say that 375 is a "packet" of numbers.
 
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Actually, we describe particles using wave functions. For example, with electrons in solid state physics, we basically solve Schrödinger equation to get eigenvalues and eigenfunctions. However, the picture of the wave function is something spreaded in the whole solid which is inconsistent with classical concept of electrons. So we use the wave packet to explain the transition from the quantum mechanics to classical picture.
 
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Thank you all!
 
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