Why this triple integral is not null?

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of a triple integral involving the sine function, specifically questioning why the integral is not equal to zero despite the sine function being odd. Participants are exploring the implications of integrating over a specific interval and the properties of odd functions in relation to volume calculations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are examining the reasoning behind integrating sin(x) from 0 to pi and the subsequent multiplication by two. There is confusion regarding the nature of odd functions and their integrals over symmetric regions. Some participants question the validity of the original poster's assertion that the integral should be zero.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts of signed versus unsigned areas, with some participants providing clarifications that help others understand the implications of integrating over non-symmetric intervals. While some misunderstandings have been addressed, there is no explicit consensus on the original question.

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Participants are discussing the properties of definite integrals and the nature of the sine function, particularly in the context of volume calculations. The original poster's argument relies on the assumption of symmetry, which has been challenged by others in the thread.

Amaelle
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Homework Statement
look at the image
Relevant Equations
integrating impair function over symmetric region
Greetings
here is my integral
Compute the volume of the solid
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and here is the solution (that I don't agree with)
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So as you can see they started integrating sinx from 0 to pi and then multiplied everything by two! for me sin(x) is an odd function and it's integral should be 0 over symmetric region!
thank you in advance!
 
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I am confused. Definite integration is a technique to find the area under the curve. Sin(x) is completely above the x-axis between (0, Pi). So the value isn't 0.
 
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By definition, volume is positive and all its pieces have positive volume. So the fact that sin() is odd forces you to consider the negative part as an additional positive volume.
 
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Amaelle said:
Homework Statement:: look at the image
Relevant Equations:: integrating impair function over symmetric region

So as you can see they started integrating sinx from 0 to pi and then multiplied everything by two! for me sin(x) is an odd function and it's integral should be 0 over symmetric region!
thank you in advance!
sin(x) is odd relative to zero. Your integration domain is not symmetric relative to zero. Hence, your argument does not apply.
 
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Amaelle said:
So as you can see they started integrating sinx from 0 to pi and then multiplied everything by two! for me sin(x) is an odd function and it's integral should be 0 over symmetric region!
thank you in advance!
The area of (say) a circle, centred somewhere on the x-axis, is not zero - even though half the area is above the x-axis and half is below.

Beware of the difference between signed and unsigned areas!
 
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Steve4Physics said:
The area of (say) a circle, centred somewhere on the x-axis, is not zero - even though half the area is above the x-axis and half is below.

Beware of the difference between signed and unsigned areas!
thank you I got it!
 
Steve4Physics said:
The area of (say) a circle, centred somewhere on the x-axis, is not zero - even though half the area is above the x-axis and half is below.

Beware of the difference between signed and unsigned areas!
Orodruin said:
sin(x) is odd relative to zero. Your integration domain is not symmetric relative to zero. Hence, your argument does not apply.
thank you very much! I understood the difference now!
 
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