Why V=max inside a charged sphere?

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The discussion revolves around the electric potential inside a charged sphere, particularly focusing on the conditions under which the electric field is zero and how this relates to the potential being maximum. The conversation includes considerations of conducting versus non-conducting spheres and the implications of uniform versus surface charge distributions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the electric field strength is zero inside a charged sphere, leading to confusion about why the electric potential is maximum.
  • Others clarify that if the electric field is zero, the potential is constant, but the value of that potential can be arbitrary depending on the reference point chosen.
  • There is a distinction made between conducting and non-conducting spheres, with some participants noting that the electric field is zero inside a conducting shell but not necessarily inside a uniformly charged sphere.
  • Participants discuss the implications of potential difference and the need for specifying points of interest when discussing potential.
  • Some contributions emphasize the importance of Gauss's law in understanding the behavior of electric fields in different configurations of charged spheres.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the specifics of the electric field and potential within charged spheres, as participants express differing views on the conditions and definitions involved, particularly regarding conducting versus non-conducting spheres.

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Participants highlight the importance of clarifying whether the sphere is conducting or non-conducting, as this significantly affects the electric field and potential. Additionally, the discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the implications of charge distribution on the electric field inside the sphere.

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Inside a charged sphere, the electric field strength is zero because there are electrostatic forces from all directions. I can't understand why electric potential inside the charged sphere is maximum ?
 
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Hello hello :welcome:

This is a conducting sphere I take it ?
##V## is constant if ##\vec E## is zero.
 
E is zero inside a conducting shell, not sphere.
 
Is this a uniformly charged sphere or or a sphere changed on the surface? For a uniformly charged sphere the e-field is not zero inside the sphere. For a sphere with only a charged surface the e-field is zero everywhere inside the sphere.

The potential depends on what case you are talking about. If you can find the e-field you can find the potential or potential difference between two points. If the e-field is zero the potential is zero as well since potential is the path integral of the e-field in moving between two points.
 
BvU said:
Hello hello :welcome:

This is a conducting sphere I take it ?
##V## is constant if ##\vec E## is zero.

If E is zero V is not only constant but it is also zero.
 
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leright said:
If E is zero V is not only constant but it is also zero.

That is not right (and BvU is correct). V is a potential so you can add an arbitrary constant to it everywhere and the point of zero potential is arbitrary. Using the most common convention for the hollow sphere, we'd say that V is zero at infinity, it is negative and obeys the ##-1/r## rule in the region outside the shell, and is constant and negative inside the shell.

What you can say is that if E is the gradient of V so if E is zero then the V is constant at that point.
 
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Nugatory said:
That is not right (and BvU is correct). V is a potential so you can add an arbitrary constant to it everywhere and the point of zero potential is arbitrary. Using the most common convention for the hollow sphere, we'd say that V is zero at infinity, it is negative and obeys the ##-1/r## rule in the region outside the shell, and is constant and negative inside the shell.

What you can say is that if E is the gradient of V so if E is zero then the V is constant at that point.

Very true. I was thinking more along the lines of potential difference, but it is clear we are talking about potential...not potential difference. And potential difference is meaningless when the two points of interest are not specified. I should have known better.

As mentioned, if the electric field is zero inside the shell then the dV/dr is zero, implying that V(r) is constant inside the shell. However, it is arbitrary what you choose the value of the potential to be.

Thanks Nugatory.
 
leright said:
Very true. I was thinking more along the lines of potential difference, but it is clear we are talking about potential...not potential difference. And potential difference is meaningless when the two points of interest are not specified. I should have known better.

As mentioned, if the electric field is zero inside the shell then the dV/dr is zero, implying that V(r) is constant inside the shell. However, it is arbitrary what you choose the value of the potential to be.

Thanks Nugatory.

Thank you very much !

V remains constant since E is zero and there's no change in E-field (dV/dx = 0) inside the shell ?
 
hellotheworld said:
V remains constant since E is zero and there's no change in E-field (dV/dx = 0) inside the shell ?
Again, for a conducting shell (or conducting sphere): yes.
You will learn (or may have learned already) about the Gauss theorem that helps a lot with spheres that are non-conducting and uniformly charged.

(And then you find there is a lot of difference between conducting and non-conducting. Your post #1 wasn't clear about which of the two, so some confusion occurred).
 
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Nisarg_p said:
E is zero inside a conducting shell, not sphere.

Sphere is correct.
 

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