Why vacuum Einstein equations are hyperbolic equations?

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The discussion centers on the nature of vacuum Einstein equations and their classification as hyperbolic equations within the context of general relativity. Participants explore the implications of this classification for the well-posedness of initial value problems, particularly in relation to the Cauchy problem. The conversation also touches on the differences between vacuum and non-vacuum cases, including the role of the stress-energy momentum tensor.

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  • One participant expresses interest in understanding why vacuum Einstein equations are hyperbolic and questions the implications for non-vacuum cases due to the presence of the stress-energy momentum tensor.
  • Another participant presents a formulation of the vacuum Einstein equations and seeks clarification on how to demonstrate that this system is hyperbolic.
  • A historical perspective is provided, referencing Nordstrom's scalar theory of gravitation and its hyperbolic nature, suggesting parallels to the vacuum Einstein equations.
  • Discussion includes the assertion that the scalar curvature vanishes in vacuum, leading to a wave equation that is hyperbolic, while noting the complexity of explaining hyperbolicity in the context of tensor theory of gravitation.
  • One participant proposes an alternative approach involving the Lorentzian metric and presents an equation that they believe may be hyperbolic, but expresses uncertainty about how to verify this.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the verification of hyperbolicity for the equations discussed. Multiple viewpoints and approaches are presented, indicating ongoing exploration and uncertainty regarding the topic.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific mathematical formulations and the complexity of the Cauchy problem in general relativity, which may not be fully resolved in the discussion.

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Hello friends,

I am now interested in Einstein scalar field equations with a very little knowledge about Physics. I would like to ask why vacuum Einstein equations are hyperbolic equations? As far as I know that for [tex]3+1[/tex]-dimensional manifold [tex]V[/tex], we can convert the vacuum Einstein equations as a system of time derivative w.r.t. the induced metric and the second fundamental form of a [tex]3[/tex]-dimensional manifold, called hypersurface [tex]\Sigma[/tex]. What happen to non-vacuum case since we have an extra term, called stress-energy momentum tensor. Can you explain in details?

Thank you.
 
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I learn from a book saying that the vacuum Einstein equation can be rewritten as

[tex]{\partial _t}{g_{\alpha \beta }} = - 2N{k_{\alpha \beta }} + {\mathbb{L}_X}{g_{\alpha \beta }}[/tex]

and

[tex]{\partial _t}{k_{\alpha \beta }} = - {\nabla _\alpha }{\nabla _\beta }N + N\left( {{R_{\alpha \beta }} + trk{k_{\alpha \beta }} - 2{k_{\alpha \gamma }}k_\beta ^\gamma } \right) + {\mathbb{L}_X}{k_{\alpha \beta }}[/tex]

however I am not sure how to make sure that the above system is hyperbolic. Thanks.
 
bookworm_vn said:
Hello friends,

I am now interested in Einstein scalar field equations with a very little knowledge about Physics. I would like to ask why vacuum Einstein equations are hyperbolic equations? As far as I know that for [tex]3+1[/tex]-dimensional manifold [tex]V[/tex], we can convert the vacuum Einstein equations as a system of time derivative w.r.t. the induced metric and the second fundamental form of a [tex]3[/tex]-dimensional manifold, called hypersurface [tex]\Sigma[/tex]. What happen to non-vacuum case since we have an extra term, called stress-energy momentum tensor. Can you explain in details?

Thank you.

Actually a hyperbolic partial differential equation is a partial differential equation (PDE) that, roughly speaking, has a well-posed initial value problem, so the Cauchy problem for GR can simply answer your question. But historically, it is ineresting to know that the first scalar theory of gravitation, known as the 1th theory of Nordstrom's gravitation, had the field equation [tex]\square \phi = 0[/tex] with [tex]\square[/tex] being the D'Alembert's operator. As you can see, this is exactly the equation of a wave in vacuum that is hyperbolic because if on the line t=0, you have the first derivative of \phi w.r.t t and itself specified arbitrarily as the initial values, then there exists a solution for all time.

AB
 
Altabeh said:
Actually a hyperbolic partial differential equation is a partial differential equation (PDE) that, roughly speaking, has a well-posed initial value problem, so the Cauchy problem for GR can simply answer your question. But historically, it is ineresting to know that the first scalar theory of gravitation, known as the 1th theory of Nordstrom's gravitation, had the field equation [tex]\square \phi = 0[/tex] with [tex]\square[/tex] being the D'Alembert's operator. As you can see, this is exactly the equation of a wave in vacuum that is hyperbolic because if on the line t=0, you have the first derivative of \phi w.r.t t and itself specified arbitrarily as the initial values, then there exists a solution for all time.

AB

Thanks, what I am expecting is to show that studying Cauchy problems for Einstein equations make sense. My advisor suggests me to show that the vacuum Einstein equation is indeed a hyperbolic equation but I am still not able. Having this fact, it is reasonable to study Cauchy problem for the Einstein equations.
 
bookworm_vn said:
Thanks, what I am expecting is to show that studying Cauchy problems for Einstein equations make sense. My advisor suggests me to show that the vacuum Einstein equation is indeed a hyperbolic equation but I am still not able. Having this fact, it is reasonable to study Cauchy problem for the Einstein equations.

Yeah it is! In the scalar theory of Gravitation, the scalar curvature R vanishes in vacuum, i.e. R=0. So introducing this into the Einstein and Fokker [*] definition of the Ricci scalar,

[tex]-6(\square \phi)/\phi^3 = R[/tex] results in the wave equation again which is hyperbolic as discussed earlier. Note that here the vacu solution can be obtained from their field equation,

[tex]R=24\pi GT[/tex]

where you put T=0. (T, here, is the trace of the energy-momentum tensor and G is Newton's gravitational constant).

I think now it is clear why the vacu scalar field equation would be hyperbolic.

But in the tensor theory of Gravitation or GR, this is a little bit hard to explain as you are required to take advanced lessons for the Cauchy problem of GR which elegantly shows what is behind the name 'hyperbolic' for field equations not only in vacuum, but anywhere else.

For a full study of this problem, take a look at:

Witten L. (ed.) Gravitation: an introduction to current research (Wiley, 1962), chapter 4.

[*] A. Einstein and A.D. Fokker, Ann. d. Phys. 44, 321 (1914).
AB
 
Altabeh said:
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For a full study of this problem, take a look at:

Witten L. (ed.) Gravitation: an introduction to current research (Wiley, 1962), chapter 4.

[*] A. Einstein and A.D. Fokker, Ann. d. Phys. 44, 321 (1914).
AB

Oh thanks, I am reading. BTW, I have another approach: Consider the Lorentzian metric
[tex]d{s^2} = - dt \otimes dt + {g_{ij}}(x,t)d{x^i} \otimes d{x^j}[/tex].​
Einstein equations in vacuum, i.e., [tex]G_{ij} = 0[/tex] become
[tex]\frac{{{\partial ^2}{g_{ij}}}}{{\partial {t^2}}} + 2{R_{ij}} + \frac{1}{2}{g^{pq}}\frac{{\partial {g_{ij}}}}{{\partial t}}\frac{{{\partial _{pq}}}}{{\partial t}}{ - g^{pq}}\frac{{\partial {g_{ip}}}}{{\partial t}}\frac{{{\partial _{jq}}}}{{\partial t}} = 0.[/tex]​
It seems that the above eqn. is hyperbolic but I am not sure how to check. Thanks.
 
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