Why was the speed of light even considered to be infinite?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the historical consideration of the speed of light, particularly why it was thought to be infinite and the implications of this assumption. Participants explore paradoxes related to light, such as Olbers' paradox, and engage in reasoning about the nature of light and the universe, including concepts of finite and infinite speeds of light, the arrangement of stars, and the expansion of the universe.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that if light were infinite in speed, we would be exposed to an overwhelming amount of light from all directions, potentially leading to paradoxes before relativity was established.
  • Others reference Olbers' paradox, questioning its relevance to the discussion about the speed of light and arguing that it could not have been a primary consideration when the speed of light was first shown to be finite.
  • There is a discussion about how changing the speed of light would affect the arrival time of photons but not their emission rate from stars.
  • Some participants propose that even with a finite speed of light, an infinite universe could still lead to an accumulation of light that might cause burning, while others note that dark energy could mitigate this effect.
  • Participants explore hypothetical scenarios involving the arrangement of stars and the implications of an infinite universe on light convergence towards a point in space.
  • There are mentions of the historical context of light speed considerations, including misconceptions about the nature of stars and the universe being static.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of light speed and the relevance of Olbers' paradox. There is no consensus on the primary considerations regarding the speed of light or the nature of the universe, indicating that multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments rely on assumptions about the arrangement of stars and the nature of light, while others highlight the historical context of scientific understanding at the time light speed was first measured. The discussion also touches on the implications of an expanding universe, which may not have been considered in earlier theories.

  • #31
FallenApple said:
How many cars arrive in Providence per day? As many as there are specific degrees in a circle. So infinite.
I think you are going off in the wrong direction with this argument. You are choosing a 'degree' as a fundamental step in angle size, which doesn't make sense but the question is considering a single track road (one dimension) - a much simpler statement of the problem.
Stars don't follow the 'trees in a forest' model, where you will see 'wood' wherever you look in an infinite forest (whatever the size and spacing of trees). That implies that either the universe is not infinite or that it is infinite and there is 'something going on with' the light from very distant stars. (Or both of course)
 
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  • #32
Vanadium 50 said:
One car per day leaves Boston for Providence at 30 mph. How many cars per day arrive in Providence?
One car per day leaves Boston for Providence at 45 mph. How many cars per day arrive in Providence?
One car per day leaves Boston for Providence at 60 mph. How many cars per day arrive in Providence?

I think it depends on how many cars leave other locations for Providence each day, how many breakdowns occur, etc.
 
  • #33
Noel said:
I think it depends on how many cars leave other locations for Providence each day, how many breakdowns occur, etc.
I hope that's a joke. :wink:
 

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