Why we don't have several theories

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The discussion revolves around the reasons for the limited number of established theories of gravity and the microscopic world in physics. Participants explore the existence of alternative theories, their validity, and the implications of experimental data on theoretical development.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express surprise at the existence of only two theories of gravity and suggest that many more should be developed given the number of physicists working in the field.
  • Others argue that Newtonian gravity and General Relativity (GR) serve different purposes, with Newton's theory being an approximation that works well under certain conditions.
  • A participant mentions at least three alternative theories of gravity that exist outside of GR, noting their applicability to niche scenarios that are rarely encountered in practice.
  • Some participants highlight the lack of a comprehensive theory that unifies gravity with quantum mechanics, mentioning theories like superstring theory and loop quantum gravity as examples of ongoing efforts.
  • One participant asserts that experimental data significantly constrains the development of new theories, leading to a narrower set of accepted theories over time.
  • There is a discussion about the meaning of "validity" in the context of theories, with differing opinions on whether Newtonian gravity can be considered a separate theory from GR.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the number of theories of gravity, the validity of Newtonian gravity compared to GR, and the implications of experimental data on theoretical development. No consensus is reached regarding the existence or validity of alternative theories.

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Some claims rely on specific definitions of validity and the conditions under which different theories apply. The discussion reflects a range of perspectives on the relationship between experimental data and theoretical development.

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I wonder why we have actually only two theories of gravity, only one "theory of the microscopical world". There are a lot of brilliant people working on physics. I would expect new theories (that work) appearing like every year... I would expect we having now dozens of theories of gravity, each one as valid as Newtons and Einsteins.

Why this doesn't happen?
 
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kent davidge said:
I wonder why we have actually only two theories of gravity, only one "theory of the microscopical world". There are a lot of brilliant people working on physics. I would expect new theories (that work) appearing like every year... I would expect we having now dozens of theories of gravity, each one as valid as Newtons and Einsteins.

Why this doesn't happen?
Why re-invent the wheel? Newton works perfectly on most occasions, and for very high speeds, calculations have to be more careful and precise, that's where Einstein works. A bit more complicated, but it gave us navigation systems.

What we don't know is a theory which combines gravity with the microworld, and in this case we do have a few dozens of theories. All waiting to be announced the one and only theory which gets the Nobel prize.
 
There are at least 3 different theories of gravity i can think of off the top of my head that aren't exactly GR. We know GR works, and it encompasses a lot of scenarios, so as they say, if the shoe fits... wear it!

If you take away one, or both the conditions of the Levi-Cievta connection, you have two new theories of gravity (Cartan, Weyl). The issue with these two is... they also only pop up in niche scenarios that most physicists won't encounter!

That is what it comes down to, why bother teaching graduate students/undergrad about some niche theory that only pops up in rare scenarios that we can't even verify experimentally? There are loads of theories out there that cover such small areas that unless you're doing a PhD in that area you won't hear about them!
 
For macroscopic world, Newton and Einstein theories work pretty well. For microscopic world where QM works, we do not have a good one yet. Many theories are postulated e.g. super string theory or loop quantum gravity.
 
kent davidge said:
I would expect we having now dozens of theories of gravity, each one as valid as Newtons and Einsteins.

What does "as valid" mean to you? To me, Einstein's theory is more valid than Newton's.
 
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kent davidge said:
I wonder why we have actually only two theories of gravity

We don't. We have only one theory of gravity, General Relativity. Newtonian gravity is not a separate theory; it's just an approximation that is derived in GR when speeds are slow compared to the speed of light and gravity is weak.

kent davidge said:
Why this doesn't happen?

Because all of those other theories don't match the experimental data. Experimental data is what constrains us to have a narrow set of theories, and the more experimental data we collect, the narrower the set of theories gets.
 
I would say Newtonian gravity (and mechanics) are a separate theory from GR/SR if treated as exact. It could have been true that they would never have been found faulty. As it turns out, they remain a highly accurate, approximate theory, whose bounds of utility are derivable from GR/SR.
 
Mister T said:
What does "as valid" mean to you? To me, Einstein's theory is more valid than Newton's.
So there maybe few theory's valid than Einstein's theory
 

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