Wild dogs howl and house dogs bark

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the differences in vocalizations between wild canines, such as coyotes and wolves, and domestic dogs, particularly focusing on why wild canines howl or yelp while house dogs tend to bark. Participants explore the implications of social structures, domestication, and environmental factors influencing these behaviors. The conversation also touches on the activity patterns of wild canines, questioning their nocturnal nature.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the differences in vocalizations may relate to the social structures of living in packs versus living alone.
  • Others note that certain domesticated breeds of dogs also howl and yelp, suggesting variability in behavior among domestic dogs.
  • One participant mentions that barking is a juvenile characteristic in wolves, with adults typically howling, and suggests that domestic dogs have retained this juvenile trait.
  • There is a claim that coyotes have become primarily nocturnal due to historical persecution, while others argue that their activities can occur during both day and night.
  • Some participants express the need for scientific evidence to support claims about the behaviors of coyotes and wolves, particularly regarding their vocalizations and activity patterns.
  • One participant highlights that adult wolves can bark, depending on the subspecies, and that barking may serve as an alert response.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the reasons for different vocalizations and the activity patterns of wild canines. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the factors influencing these behaviors.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions of vocalization types and the context of domestication. There are also unresolved questions regarding the influence of environmental factors on the behavior of wild canines.

  • #31
bobze said:
Its also important to remember that because something is in the scientific literature it isn't "laid in stone" or the "grail". Lots and lots of crappy papers get published and pass-peer review (even in journals like Science and Nature--Remember that whole arsenic thing?). Simply knowing something is published literature doesn't inform one on the topic. One has to take it a step further and use that scientific training of theirs to discriminate whether said publication is saying something significant or not. That is something most laymen are not capable of doing. Which is why for a non-scientist a general link to something like Wikipedia is great. :smile:
This is a very important point, the number of papers that I see that are just flat out poor yet published (sometimes in respectable journals) is worrying. It behooves everyone to remember that peer-review is the absolute minimum for credibility, nothing more. The validity of a study should be based on it's methodology and the conclusions drawn from the data, this is a bigger discussion of course but it is very important to keep in mind.

We don't want to perpetuate the idea that published = credible or correct.
 
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Anna Blanksch said:
Why do we hear coyotes and wolves howl or yelp while house dogs more often bark? Does it have something to do with living in a pack vs. living alone?

Also... today when I was on a walk around noon I spotted two separate coyotes (the dog I was walking started barking at the first one which got me thinking about my previous question). I thought wild dogs were nocturnal. Is that incorrect? If it is correct, could their day-time roaming have something to do with the noisy humans keeping them up?

Thanks!

Coyotes are rather flexible with regards to their daily schedule. When I was jogging in New Mexico desert about noon, I would stop and see a coyote looking at me. A few coyotes have recently appeared in Maryland, where I now live. While I never saw any of them directly, I was told that they like twilight and night. They scavenge the garbage. So here, they like the hours before the garbage pick up.
 

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