Will a current loop precess or align with a magnetic field?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of a current loop in an external magnetic field, specifically whether the loop will precess or align with the magnetic field when its magnetic moment vector is not aligned. Participants explore the conditions under which precession occurs versus simple alignment, considering factors such as torque, angular momentum, and the properties of the current-carrying charges.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that a torque will act on the current loop to align it with the magnetic field but questions whether this always results in precession or if alignment occurs instead.
  • Another participant suggests that the loop will align in the direction of least energy and mentions the role of friction in preventing continuous rotation.
  • A participant questions the absence of precession in the discussion, prompting further exploration of the conditions necessary for precession to occur.
  • It is mentioned that angular momentum is required for precession, which leads to a discussion about the characteristics of the electrons in the wire.
  • Concerns are raised about the validity of using mass and charge arguments to explain the behavior of the current loop, particularly in relation to superconducting loops where charges move without resistance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions necessary for precession versus alignment, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of charges in the wire and the effects of friction, which are not fully explored or defined. The implications of superconductivity on the precession of current loops are also raised but not conclusively addressed.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying electromagnetism, particularly in understanding the dynamics of current loops in magnetic fields, as well as the effects of superconductivity on electrical properties.

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Hello,

When I have a current loop (macroscopical, but I don't know if that matters) in an external magnetic field such that the loop's magnetic moment vector is not aligned with the magnetic field, I know it'll create a torque on the loop to align it with the B-field. I was wondering: does this torque always imply precession, or will we simply see alignment in real life? Are there extra conditions that need to be specified before you can say if there will be noticeable precession or alignment?

Thank you.
 
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It will align in the direction that has the least energy (with the field). It won't keep rotating due to friction, and in an ideal situation it might oscillate but I haven't though about how this motion affects the current in the loop (if it is significant).
 
How come precession doesn't come into the picture?
 
you need angular momentum to have precession
 
granpa - exactly, the electrons in the wire?
 
they have very little mass and they move very slowly
 
Hm, the argument of "very little mass" doesn't seem valid, because they also have "very little charge", but they're massive in numbers. I suppose the "moving very slowl" argument could make sense... (but not sure because the current itself, after all, is not slow, so the mass movement of the charges/masses also isn't slow). But would you then say that a superconducting loop would precess? Because there the charges don't continuously (they never) bump into things and thus should go a lot faster.
 

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