Will External Magnets Affect PMDC Motor Armature Rotation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of external magnets on the rotation of the armature in a Permanent Magnet Direct Current (PMDC) motor. Participants explore the implications of altering the magnetic field and its potential impact on motor performance, efficiency, and operational characteristics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether external magnets will change the armature's rotation, suggesting that in principle, it could.
  • Another participant proposes that stronger external magnets might paradoxically slow down the motor's rotation due to increased back-emf at constant supply voltage.
  • A different viewpoint indicates that while the motor constant (Km) would increase with a stronger magnetic field, leading to increased torque at constant current, significant performance improvements may not be achievable due to the motor's existing optimization by the manufacturer.
  • One participant adds that increasing the motor constant could allow for a reduction in the number of turns on the armature, which would decrease resistance and copper losses, thereby enhancing efficiency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effects of external magnets, with some suggesting potential benefits and others cautioning against the likelihood of significant performance improvements. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall impact of external magnets on motor operation.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the motor's performance is already optimized by the manufacturer, which may limit the effectiveness of adding external magnets. There are also assumptions regarding the operational conditions, such as supply voltage and current, that are not fully explored.

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generally in the pmdc motor the armature will rotate.As it works with the help of magnets ,if i provide external magnets to motor ,there will be any change in the rotation of armature?
 
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Probably.

It might seem surprising but the stronger the magnets the slower it will go.
 
naeem shaik said:
if i provide external magnets to motor ,there will be any change in the rotation of armature?
In principle: Yes.

If you strengthen the magnetic field in the airgap, you will increase the motor constant, Km . Thus you will increase the back-emf in the motor [ V/ω ], which will make the motor turning slower at constant supply voltage ( unloaded ).

At the same time you will increase the torque [ Nm/A ] at constant supply current.

However I don't think you can improve the motor performance significant, because the manufacturer has already optimized the magnetic circuit of the motor.
 
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+1.

Increasing the motor constant allow you to reduce the number of turns and yet achieve the same rpm. Reducing the number of turns on the armature reduces the resistance and that reduces the heat loss ("copper losses"). This is why motors with powerful rare Earth magnets are more efficient than motors with weaker ferrite magnets.
 
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thank you
 

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