Will older age factor affect my ability to get tenured?

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The discussion revolves around the potential impact of age on obtaining tenure in academia, particularly in mathematics and physics. Participants share their experiences and perspectives on age-related biases in hiring and tenure processes, as well as the challenges faced by non-traditional students entering graduate school later in life.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern that being around 10 years older than peers might affect tenure prospects.
  • Another participant mentions a perceived bias favoring individuals in their mid to late 30s when seeking university positions.
  • Some participants assert that age discrimination is illegal in the US, though nuances exist regarding the applicability of laws based on age and type of institution.
  • A participant suggests that age may not be the primary obstacle in securing faculty positions, emphasizing the overall difficulty of obtaining such roles.
  • One participant argues that age is a discriminating factor for job interviewers, suggesting that societal biases influence hiring practices.
  • Another participant shares a personal perspective, encouraging viewing life experiences gained during a gap as valuable rather than detrimental.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of views regarding the impact of age on tenure and hiring. While some believe age may be a factor, others argue that it is not the primary concern. The discussion remains unresolved with competing perspectives on the significance of age in academic hiring processes.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference legal frameworks regarding age discrimination, highlighting complexities in how these laws apply to different situations and institutions. There is also mention of societal biases that may influence hiring decisions, which are not universally agreed upon.

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Hey all,

I'm a non-traditional student. I won't even begin graduate school until I'm 32 or 33. As of now, my plan is to become a mathematics professor (yes i know the slim statistics and no i don't want to dwell on that), and I'm wondering, will being ~10 years older than my peers affect my ability to gain tenure?
 
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My friends in math have always told me there is a strong bias towards people in their mid to late 30s. Not just getting tenure- finding a university position anywhere might be tough.
 
It is illegal to discriminate by age in the US.

It is tough to get a faculty job anywhere. You age is the least of your problems.
 
It is illegal to discriminate by age in the US.

It is tough to get a faculty job anywhere. You age is the least of your problems.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
It is illegal to discriminate by age in the US.

Only if you are over 40. See 29 U.S.C. § 631(a)) http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/29/631%28a%29.html

And public universities are exempt from the ADEA under state sovereign immunity. Google for Kimel v. Florida Bd. Of Regents

42 USC 6103 prohibits age discrimination in education receiving federal funding, but subsection (b)(1)(A) allows a program to take into account age if it is necessary to the normal operation of any statutory objective or if you can find some reasonable factor other than age.
 
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diligence said:
I won't even begin graduate school until I'm 32 or 33. As of now, my plan is to become a mathematics professor (yes i know the slim statistics and no i don't want to dwell on that), and I'm wondering, will being ~10 years older than my peers affect my ability to gain tenure?

I think you are going to be doing spectacularly well if you get to the point where this even becomes an issue.
 
Are we all daft? Age is always a discriminating factor for job interviewers. We are discriminating creatures. Those discriminating individuals who are job interviewers are among the set of individuals who are 'we', the dscriminating individuals. Is this clear?

The rule of law has nothing to do with hiring beyond imparatives from the managers of hirees and who tell them "we have to have more women", or more blacks or hispanics to fill quota expections. Pro-women, pro-black, pro-hispanic, or pro-youth discrimination has been institutionalized in the name of anti-discrimination--go figure. It's all double-speak rubbish for the consumption of the socially insane who constitute the majority of us.

I don't think 30-ish is a problem for most job interviewers who might expect those in their twenties. Act 20-ish and less wise then you are. Walk different and act stupid--really.
 
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I'm in a similar boat age-wise with a goal towards Physics academia. My plan (and hopes) are to focus on my experiences that I had between my first University experience and now. Don't think about it as a 10 year gap where you did nothing (unless you really did nothing...), just think about it as getting some of your 'real world' experience before your degrees ;)
 

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