ST. PAUL, Minnesota (CNN) — Senior McCain adviser Carly Fiorina said Tuesday that Barack Obama, Joe Biden and other Democrats were engaging in sexist attacks on Sarah Palin, as Republicans continued to invoke Hillary Clinton to criticize the Democratic presidential ticket.
“I am appalled by the Obama campaign's attempts to belittle Governor Sarah Palin’s experience,” said Fiorina. “The facts are that Sarah Palin has made more executive decisions as a Mayor and Governor than Barack Obama has made in his life.
“Because of Hillary Clinton's historic run for the Presidency and the treatment she received, American women are more highly tuned than ever to recognize and decry sexism in all its forms. They will not tolerate sexist treatment of Governor Palin.”
isly ilwott said:I think Palin would likely garner some votes from liberals if she'd have encouraged and covered up an abortion for a her daughter, taking the easy way out.
Gokul43201 said:
Ivan Seeking said:Here is one of probably half a dozen seen over the last twenty-four hours.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/08/30/lkl.palin.panel.cnn?iref=videosearch
Given McCains age, his possible replacement is of particular concern. One can argue that Obama doesn't have enough experience, but to argue for the requirement of experience, as McCain did, and then to pick a VP who is neither an intellectual giant nor an accomplished big-league politician - to literally throw a Hail Mary pass with the future of the country - is extremely reckless. Perhaps we will all soon see that McCain had some magical insight - that she is a true phenomenon, like Obama - but at this point the chances of that appear to be vanishingly small.
People recognize in Obama a once-in-a-lifetime leader. He comes with a rare and natural ability to inspire people. Given his intellect, his knowledge of the Constitution, his dedication to mostly the right side of the right issues, his rise to power in a powerful state, and esp now, given that he not only took down the Clintons but has also virtually revolutionized modern campaigning - making the contribution process more democratic than ever before - he is given a pass. He is a rare talent like none that I have seen before.
In effect I would have to agree that he doesn't have enought experience, that is, if we were considering an ordinary politician. But Obama is not an ordinary politician. In fact, by all accounts that I've heard, he was effectively drafted. As one Senator told him, [I can come up with a name but need to think about it] ~ "time sometimes selects you, and not the other way around".
Is Palin all that special? I see nothing to suggest this is the case. I do hear unbelievably inflated spin to make her more than she is. For example, McCains wife suggested that Palin has foreign policy experience, or that somehow she gets points, since Alaska is close to Russia. Frankly, some Republicans seem a bit desperate.
Why; just to pick a woman?
Ivan Seeking said:For example, McCains wife suggested that Palin has foreign policy experience, or that somehow she gets points, since Alaska is close to Russia. Frankly, some Republicans seem a bit desperate.
Gokul43201 said:
All Things Considered, September 2, 2008 · Arizona Sen. John McCain's choice for vice president is clearly a bid for female voters.
The campaign is hoping that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin will help attract some all-important independents, as well as disappointed fans of New York Sen. Hillary Clinton — especially in key battleground states such as Ohio, Florida and New Hampshire.
But as voters begin to digest the news and get to know Palin, it seems as though her selection may hurt as well as help the McCain camp.
While some women in the fiercely independent state of New Hampshire say that McCain's pick is in line with his maverick image, others wonder whether Palin can lead while also caring for her large family. Still other women feel insulted by a decision they see as overtly catering to them.
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McCain More Likely to Drop Palin, Bookmakers Say
Sept. 2 (Bloomberg) -- The smart money thinks there's a better chance today than yesterday that John McCain will dump Sarah Palin as his running mate.
Before the Republican senator's presidential campaign disclosed the pregnancy of Palin's 17-year-old daughter, bookmakers in Britain and Ireland were offering 20-1 odds or higher on a bet that she would be forced off the ticket, meaning a 1 pound ($1.78) bet would pay 20 pounds. Now that same bet will pay no more than 8 pounds.
"While it is rare that a VP candidate gets dropped, it's not completely impossible,'' said Ken Robertson, political betting analyst at Paddy Power Plc, a Dublin-based gambling company. "Lots of our punters are betting `Shocking' Sarah's days are numbered,'' he added, using a nickname he came up with for the first-term Alaska governor.
The odds, based on wagers made online with Paddy Power and William Hill Plc and in their betting shops, also suggest that McCain is less likely to win the White House because of his vice-presidential running-mate choice, announced Aug. 29. Both gambling houses, along with rival Ladbrokes Plc, place Democrat Barack Obama, 47, as the favorite to triumph in the contest.
"Ever since he appointed her, people have stopped betting on McCain,'' said David Williams of Ladbrokes in London. "He went down like a sack of potatoes as far as the punters are concerned.''
What about Gov. Palin justifies a cute comparison to child abuser Joan Crawford?Evo said:Although Palin is probably the best thing for Obama, it looks like the betters believe either McCain will drop her or she will be forced to quit. She's been nicknamed "Shocking Sarah", but I think of her fondly as "Mommie Dearest".
So at least he's been considering her for some time, and I have to give her points on her anti-corruption stance.Brooks said:. . . .
When McCain met Sarah Palin last February, he was meeting the rarest of creatures, an American politician who sees the world as he does. Like McCain, Palin does not seem to have an explicit governing philosophy. Her background is socially conservative, but she has not pushed that as governor of Alaska. She seems to find it easier to work with liberal Democrats than the mandarins in her own party.
Instead, she seems to get up in the morning to root out corruption. McCain was meeting a woman who risked her career taking on the corrupt Republican establishment in her own state, who twice defeated the oil companies, who made mortal enemies of the two people McCain has always held up as the carriers of the pork-barrel disease: Young and Stevens.
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If McCain wins, I hope that is the case.Brooks said:The Palin pick allows McCain to run the way he wants to — not as the old goat running against the fresh upstart, but as the crusader for virtue against the forces of selfishness.
Interesting observation.Brooks said:My worry about Palin is that she shares McCain’s primary weakness — that she has a tendency to substitute a moral philosophy for a political philosophy.
Will he be able to work with both sides in Congress?Brooks said:If McCain is elected, he will face conditions tailor-made to foster disorder. He will be leading a divided and philosophically exhausted party. There simply aren’t enough Republican experts left to staff an administration, so he will have to throw together a hodgepodge with independents and Democrats. He will confront Democratic majorities that will be enraged and recriminatory.
That's worrisome, and perhaps that's where Obama-Biden are much stronger.Brooks said:He really needs someone to impose a policy structure on his moral intuitions. He needs a very senior person who can organize a vast administration and insist that he tame his lone-pilot tendencies and work through the established corridors — the National Security Council, the Domestic Policy Council. He needs a near-equal who can turn his instincts, which are great, into a doctrine that everybody else can predict and understand.
Rob Portman or Bob Gates wouldn’t have been politically exciting, but they are capable of performing those tasks. Palin, for all her gifts, is not. She underlines McCain’s strength without compensating for his weaknesses. The real second fiddle job is still unfilled.
For one thing, Palin claims that all human life is precious. Why, then, if her water broke in Texas did she give a speech and then take a trip back to Alaska that was certain get her home no sooner than 11-12 hours after her water broke? There was excellent medical care available in Texas. Furthermore, about 1/2 of Down Syndrome babies are born with some kind of heart problem, some of which require early surgical intervention if the child is to survive. Women who have had several children generally experience shorter and shorter labors, and there is really no way to tell in advance how quickly the labor will progress. She could have given birth on the plane, and if there had been complications, that might not have been good for the baby or for her. For many, many reasons (most related to the safety of the baby) she should have stayed in Texas for the delivery.mheslep said:What about Gov. Palin justifies a cute comparison to child abuser Joan Crawford?
Only in that McCain needs that political philosopher somewhere in his team, it need not be the VP, and historically the VP is not the number 2 guy running the show.Astronuc said:That's worrisome, and perhaps that's where Obama-Biden are much stronger.
Agreed. The question is who's more likely to engage in foreign entanglements now. Despite of couple of bellicose statements by McCain on Iran, given his history and after backing the surge when it was unpopular, he has nothing to prove. Obama is going to be haunted by the 'is he up to it' question on matters of force to which I credit his loose cannon statements on Pakistan - trying to prove he's tough enough.And we have some significant domestic issues to deal with at home. It's time to put our house in order, and we shouldn't be going out and messing up someone else's.
I hope either Obama or McCain don't feel the need to prove they are tough. We need a thoughtful and considerate foreign policy that maintains or enhances the national security, while respecting the rights of other peoples, and hopefully enhancing the essential trade and economic development. I think either McCain or Obama will be better than the current administration - but I'd like to see a lot better.mheslep said:Agreed. The question is who's more likely to engage in foreign entanglements now. Despite of couple of bellicose statements by McCain on Iran, given his history and after backing the surge when it was unpopular, he has nothing to prove. Obama is going to be haunted by the 'is he up to it' question on matters of force to which I credit his loose cannon statements on Pakistan - trying to prove he's tough enough.
turbo-1 said:...
Believing in the sanctity of human life doesn't square well with that kind of recklessness.
I'm not implying anything. She engaged in some reckless behavior that could have injured or even killed her unborn baby. That does not show good judgment on her part.seycyrus said:What exactly are you implying here?
turbo-1 said:Palin has filed ethics charges against herself with Alaska's Personnel Board, in an attempt to derail the legislature's ethics investigation of her and put the matter in the hand of the 3-person board, the members of which she appointed. So far, she and her husband have refused to be deposed by the Legislature's special counsel Steve Branchflower. It seems that she has learned the Bush/Cheney tactics of the "unitary executive" quite well.
http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/514163.html
seycyrus said:Take the "Alaska is close to Russia" comment, for example.
Certainly it is understandable that proximity is one component of a state's interaction with another country.
Texas has more foreign interactions than Iowa for example. In the same vein, Alaska might have a higher foreign interaction than Illinois.
Joan Crawford (AKA Mommie Dearest) was a woman that went to great lengths to give the public the appearance of a wonderful, loving family, with deep "family values", when in reality she put her own hapiness and ambitions ahead of those of her children. It is that kind of character that I personally pick up from Palin's actions.mheslep said:What about Gov. Palin justifies a cute comparison to child abuser Joan Crawford?
I was looking at photos of Bristol holding trig, and she somehow doesn't seem happy. There is one picture where Sarah Palin is exiting a stage, and Bristol looks pretty miserable, as in - "well mom is having fun, and I'm stuck with the baby." It looks like Ms. Palin has pushed off child rearing to her oldest daughter, while she goes off and parties. But it's just a father's perception.Evo said:. . . . when in reality she put her own hapiness and ambitions ahead of those of her children. It is that kind of character that I personally pick up from Palin's actions.
Would you say this of any mother that has succeeded in a life outside the home...or is this just a barb directed at Palin for political reasons? I think you have little idea about her home life...certainly not enough to brand her as a hypocrit.Evo said:Joan Crawford (AKA Mommie Dearest) was a woman that went to great lengths to give the public the appearance of a wonderful, loving family, with deep "family values", when in reality she put her own hapiness and ambitions ahead of those of her children. It is that kind of character that I personally pick up from Palin's actions.
It's hard for me to see her as a big corruption-fighter. She chaired a 527 PAC for Ted Stevens for 2 years and fought for the "bridge to nowhere" and got millions of dollars in earmarks for her town when she was mayor. There is a campaign ad with Ted Stevens endorsing her candidacy, but it has been removed from her web site. However, thanks to the fine folks that brought us youtube:LowlyPion said:On the one hand I see this ethics brouhaha as payback for Palin's attacks against the other Republicans in Alaska that has been under the guise of this fighting corrupt politicians.
Well everyone's entitled to whatever personal vibe they get from Gov. Palin, but a Mommie Dearest comparison? Crawford did much worse to her offspring than engage in self indulgence, she'd should have been jailed for her crap; Crawford-Palin is fairly outlandish comparison that facts on the table don't justify.Evo said:Joan Crawford (AKA Mommie Dearest) was a woman that went to great lengths to give the public the appearance of a wonderful, loving family, with deep "family values", when in reality she put her own hapiness and ambitions ahead of those of her children. It is that kind of character that I personally pick up from Palin's actions.
Evo said:Joan Crawford (AKA Mommie Dearest) was a woman that went to great lengths to give the public the appearance of a wonderful, loving family, with deep "family values", when in reality she put her own hapiness and ambitions ahead of those of her children. It is that kind of character that I personally pick up from Palin's actions.
DSM_Wikipedia said:A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance
2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique
4. requires excessive admiration
5. has a sense of entitlement
6. is interpersonally exploitative
7. lacks empathy
8. is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
That sounds like a possibility.LowlyPion said:I think it's called narcissism.
Clinically Narcissistic Personality Disorder is characterized by:
turbo-1 said:This should go over well. Palin slashed funding for a suite of programs designed to help young people in trouble, include Passage House that affords young unwed mothers a place to live with their babies for up to 18 months while learning the skills that will allow them to get jobs and live independently.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/th...lin_slashed_funding_to_help.html?hpid=artslot
Palin_via_Washington_Post said:"We ask the media to respect our daughter and Levi's privacy, as has always been the tradition of children of candidates."
isly ilwott said:I wouldn't call it slashing.