Winning physics/math competitions

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The discussion revolves around the value and impact of participating in physics and math competitions for undergraduates. Participants explore the potential benefits of winning such competitions, the availability of competitions, and alternative paths to enhance academic and career prospects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to set goals related to winning physics and math competitions and questions the prestige and career benefits associated with such achievements.
  • Another participant argues that winning competitions may not significantly impact career goals, noting a lack of connection between competition success and professional physicists.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that engaging in original research and obtaining publications is a more effective way to stand out as an undergraduate, rather than focusing on competitions primarily aimed at high school students.
  • One participant mentions that universities often host their own competitions, which can lead to opportunities like the Putnam competition, but emphasizes the high level of effort required to achieve notable rankings.
  • Concerns are raised about the actual value of competition results in graduate school applications, with some suggesting that only top placements may be worth pursuing.
  • Another participant acknowledges that performing well in the Putnam could be beneficial, particularly for certain industries, but expresses uncertainty about how graduate admissions committees view such achievements.
  • One participant shares a personal perspective, stating that they participate in competitions for enjoyment rather than the expectation of winning, highlighting the recreational aspect of these events.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a range of opinions regarding the significance of competitions, with some emphasizing their limited value in career advancement while others see potential benefits, particularly in specific contexts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall importance of competition results in academic and professional trajectories.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying assumptions about the relationship between competition success and graduate school admissions, as well as the competitive landscape for undergraduates who may not have prior experience in high school competitions.

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I recently found out that I really love physics and math. But in order to propel myself forward most efficiently, I need to have a goal in mind, and that goal has to be worthwhile. It's too late for me to participate in the IPhO/IMO, unfortunately.

Which goals would you recommend I set for myself?

I was thinking of going for the top spot at a physics and/or math competition (thus the title of this post). How would winning such a competition help me in my career goals, personal goals etc.? What prestige follows from winning such a competition?

I haven't been able to find that many competitions available to undergrads, can you lead me to any?

I hope you can help.
 
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I don't think winning a competition will have much of an effect at all on your career goals. I know a lot of physicists. I don't know any who have won such a competition, which most likely means that it's not much talked about.
 
If you want to stand out as an undergrad, the way to do it is by getting involved in original research and getting a publication or two. This is common among undergrads applying to grad school; while some conferences might give research awards, for the most part competitions like that are for high school students.
 
Your own university should have math and physics competitions for its own undergrads. Usually if you are among the top 5 in your own university math competition you can compete in the Putnam competition in which students from across the North America compete. However, if you have never been involved in such competitions in high school, you are going to have to put an enormous amount of effort to be even in the top 100 of the Putnam or similar physics competitions. Even that (being in the top 100) is not very helpful in graduate school admissions, if that is your goal. I think unless you are in the top 15 of the Putnam competition or similar physics competition, it is not really worth focusing on these competitions. As everyone said try to get good grades and a publication.
 
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Even that (being in the top 100) is not very helpful in graduate school admissions, if that is your goal. I think unless you are in the top 15 of the Putnam competition or similar physics competition, it is not really worth focusing on these competitions. As everyone said try to get good grades and a publication.

This is something I've wondered about, a few guys I've talked to have said people put their Putnam results onto their resumes and grad schools applications. Does it really have any effect? I've half-thought of writing it, I was able to get a couple of questions when I looked over the one this year, but I don't want to risk getting a 0 haha.

Also, wouldn't top 100 in the Putnam be pretty awesome?
 
If you do very well on the Putnam, it would help. I've no idea how graduate admissions would view it, but I've heard hedge funds eat those awards up. Also, the wikipedia page for the Putnam says one of the Putnam Fellows gets a scholarship to Harvard, I personally never heard about that, though. I don't know you so I don't know your chances, but I can tell you that the top 5 spots usually people who went to IMO 1 or more times while in high school and the next and most of the next 20 people have similar qualifications.

Personally, I don't expect to win these competitions. I may get to top 100 of the Putnam by senior year if I'm lucky. I will probably never even get to represent my university for ACM. But I still participate in these competitions because they're fun. They are like sports for nerds.
 

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