Wire Reverse between Life and Neutral

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the detection of reversed wiring between live and neutral wires in electrical systems. Participants explore various methods for identifying incorrect wiring, the implications of such errors, and the safety considerations involved. The conversation includes technical explanations, personal experiences, and differing opinions on best practices.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using color coding to identify live and neutral wires, noting that this can vary by region.
  • Others propose using a test plug to check wiring correctness, emphasizing the importance of verifying connections in household wiring.
  • A participant mentions that household wiring should be done by qualified electricians, raising concerns about faulty installations.
  • One participant describes a method involving connecting earth and live wires to check for proper wiring, cautioning that this should only be attempted with appropriate safety measures.
  • Some argue that reversing live and neutral may not matter in all cases for AC systems, while others challenge this view, emphasizing the importance of correct wiring for safety.
  • There are conflicting statements regarding the relationship between neutral and ground, with some asserting they must be tied together and others arguing against this simplification.
  • Participants express differing opinions on the implications of incorrect wiring, with some highlighting potential dangers and others downplaying the risks in certain contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of reversed live and neutral wires, with multiple competing views presented regarding safety, wiring practices, and the relationship between neutral and ground.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about regional wiring standards and practices, as well as varying levels of expertise among participants. Some methods proposed may not be industry-standard or universally applicable.

  • #31
IR drop is the issue.

The following is not to be relied on ...

1. A reason that sudden high loads cause a voltage burp
is that the line from a pole transformer to the service
panel can have enough impedance for a significant IR drop.
When the service neutral is in redundant bond to earth
ground near the service drop, that IR delta is reduced.
Ground bond wires carry current flow shared with the
neutral from the pole transformer, assuming that the
pole transformer ground is in place.

2. Outlet neutrals are not good ground returns for a
couple of reasons that I can think of at this time.
A small fault current from hand to hand can be fatal,
so a "redundant" ground wire, with low impedance,
increases the odds of timely fuse or breaker operation,
particularly if the event creating the shock hazard also
damaged the neutral. A surviving ground conductor
can trip a fuse or breaker to avoid a hazard.

Also, a bare or green conductor is less likely to be
disconnected or left unconnected at the service end.
(Outlets without a ground conductor are not hard to fix if
codes allow running a protected wire to a nearby ground.)
 

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