Women and painting: is it just me or do they really, really like it?

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The discussion centers around the observation that women seem to enjoy painting and redecorating, contrasting this with stereotypical male activities. Participants share personal experiences with painting, noting its relaxing nature and the satisfaction it brings. There are humorous exchanges about common mistakes made during painting, such as poor color choices and inadequate lighting. The conversation evolves into a broader discussion about creativity and the enjoyment of home improvement tasks, with some suggesting that women may have a natural inclination towards redecorating. However, there is also pushback against generalizations, emphasizing that not all women share the same interests. The dialogue touches on the perceived simplicity of home repair tasks and the varying levels of skill and intelligence required in trades, with some participants defending the complexity and skill involved in professional work. Overall, the thread highlights a mix of personal anecdotes, humor, and reflections on gender stereotypes in home improvement activities.
  • #31
ViewsofMars said:
My response was, "Dear OP, as a woman I'd say stereotyping "all" women like the same thing would be flawed thinking." Reference to #1 within the definition as a noted above. Or apply to what pleases you. :biggrin:

Huh?

Anyway, I'll toss this in now to avoid further damage to my china. Women are just freaking awesome.
 
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  • #32
ViewsofMars said:
My response was, "Dear OP, as a woman I'd say stereotyping "all" women like the same thing would be flawed thinking." Reference to #1 within the definition as a noted above. Or apply to what pleases you. :biggrin:

The first definition you're referencing says "all or most." You seem to be narrowing that definition only to "all."

I can't quite tell if you're being serious or enjoying the joking the rest of us are doing in this thread, so if I'm interpreting your comments as serious when they are not, just ignore this.
 
  • #33
Moonbear is just really, really freaking awesome!
 
  • #34
Moonbear said:
Honestly, they are simple tasks that don't require a lot of intelligence. That's why people can be employed in those professions even if they haven't graduated high school. People seem overly impressed that I can handle most home repairs myself (the ones I can't generally are those that require a second set of hands to hold stuff), and I never really understand why they think these things are so hard to do. Physically taxing, sure, but not mentally challenging. Sure, there are people with the muscle mass of a twig and complete lack of coordination who couldn't handle these things without hurting themselves, but it's much more of a brawn over brains kind of thing.

I'm really surprised by your response Moonbear. You obviously lack the knowledge to make assumptions about who is and who isn't intelligent. The majority of people in those professions that I do know are skilled and have a high school education and 4 years of trade school (union) with continuing madatory educational courses. And they do make plenty of $$$$$$$. They have an extremely high level of intelligence. They build hospitals, refineries, hotels, prisons, etc. I should mention that I have friends from every walk of life. And, if I throw a party everyone is invited including scientists, the garbage man, paper boy, musician, kids, CEO's, Trustees, etc. No power play there. Just living life to the fullest and enjoying the company. (I most definitely wouldn't ever tell a child they weren't intelligent.)

Furthermore, if you had a 4,000 sq. foot house built with a pool and landscaped you would know otherwise.

Simple repairs are simply not taxing. But, we can't overlook the big ticket items!

This is why men try not to let women do these jobs...they fear that the more of us who do them for ourselves, the less they can get away with pretending it's a long, hard job to do because we'll know better.

I don't think so. It seems to me that the men you know are very different from the men I know. Plus, I have enough work to do. I like to garden, but I'm not going to chop down a 50 foot tree or build an harbor. I leave it for a professional.

For example, this weekend, one of the things I did was replace the kitchen faucet. The one I had was cheap and too low to fit pots under it, so I got a different one that's more functional. The instructions, honest to goodness, said the average time to install it was 90 minutes, NOT including removing existing faucets. Seriously. 90 minutes? It had 4 nuts to screw on...one each for the hot and cold water lines, one for the sprayer, and one to screw the whole thing to the sink top. It took me longer to clear all the stuff out from under the sink and replace it all back than it did to actually remove the old faucet and install the new one. Maybe if I had to replace the shut-off valves along with the faucet, adding some running up and down to the main water shut off, a trip to the store for supplies, and soldering in a cramped space might have taken longer, but sheesh, 90 minutes to screw on 4 nuts? :smile: Yeah, don't let anyone convince you that stuff is difficult.

Congratulations. You probably saved yourself $250.00 on installation fees if you had had it done in my neck of the woods. :wink:

Thank you for sharing your experience. I have no desire to change my faucet or replace the roof. I have passed that age of wanting to fix everything that might break. My priorities are different then yours. My time is spent on doing what I like. It might have to do with my age. And I'm a firm believer that each person has the right to choose what they want to do. Decision making is an attribute of being an intelligent person.

Thanks for the exchange. Very enlightening. Have a great day! :biggrin: Do whatever makes you happy. Intelligent people most often do that by balancing - the extrodinary with the ordinary. At least that is what I have found to be true.
 
  • #35
Moonbear said:
The first definition you're referencing says "all or most." You seem to be narrowing that definition only to "all."

I can't quite tell if you're being serious or enjoying the joking the rest of us are doing in this thread, so if I'm interpreting your comments as serious when they are not, just ignore this.

Words are my little darlings. :smile: Yes, I like definitions. Yes, it was an adjective denoting "all".

Some things I do take seriously. I'm not offended easily. I am a WOMAN and this topic pertains to me so I'm interested what men and women have to contribute. I don't wish for a boundry line to exist between us in the sense that what they do for a living determines their worth to society. :approve:

It's been great having a chance to get to know you. Without judgement or condemnation we live on a planet that is diverse and people who are unique. :smile:
 
  • #36
ViewsofMars said:
Furthermore, if you had a 4,000 sq. foot house built with a pool and landscaped you would know otherwise.
Maybe she has a pool, a landscape, a garden, a farm, maybe she also produces her own electricity (or part of it, yet), and designed and built a well where she stores her own water, which she gets both from a spring and by cleaning rain water using her own patent.

Do you know Moonbear ?
 
  • #37
For my wife, painting is a thrill that is second only to WALLPAPERING. She can agonize over wallpaper books and never seems to be able to choose (only narrow down) and when she is desperate she passes the selection on to me. Generally, I pick a pattern in a few minutes, and then she says "WOW! that's perfect", and she buys it and installs it (she's good with wallpaper). We just had new kitchen cabinets and counters installed, and I did most of the design-work around the countertops and backsplashes. I wanted (demanded!) a combination of stone framed with oiled cherry and paid a little extra to get that, but the WOW factor is worth it all. My wife and I cook a lot, and it cost quite a bit to re-design and build the kitchen to make it a more productive space for us, but once we were committed, it was a no-brainer to incorporate some style. What's not a no-brainer is that we live in a log cabin, so there is a fine line to walk between "rough" and "nice". Got to simplify the "nice" enough not to clash with "rough".
 
  • #38
turbo-1 said:
For my wife, painting is a thrill that is second only to WALLPAPERING. She can agonize over wallpaper books and never seems to be able to choose (only narrow down) and when she is desperate she passes the selection on to me. Generally, I pick a pattern in a few minutes, and then she says "WOW! that's perfect", and she buys it and installs it (she's good with wallpaper). We just had new kitchen cabinets and counters installed, and I did most of the design-work around the countertops and backsplashes. I wanted (demanded!) a combination of stone framed with oiled cherry and paid a little extra to get that, but the WOW factor is worth it all. My wife and I cook a lot, and it cost quite a bit to re-design and build the kitchen to make it a more productive space for us, but once we were committed, it was a no-brainer to incorporate some style. What's not a no-brainer is that we live in a log cabin, so there is a fine line to walk between "rough" and "nice". Got to simplify the "nice" enough not to clash with "rough".

:smile:

The visual image in my head of a wall-papered log wall...ahahahaha...!
 
  • #39
lisab said:
:smile:

The visual image in my head of a wall-papered log wall...ahahahaha...!
We don't wallpaper exterior walls, but these rough "beaver puke" interior walls have been a handful as have the assemblage of obstacle courses that we faced while trying to get the rough walls to conform to a nice, slow, custom-fit installation.
 
  • #40
ViewsofMars said:
It seems to me that the men you know are very different from the men I know.

Obviously, because the men I know work in the professions you apparently lack the knowledge to be familiar with. My father was a contractor, my stepfather a mechanic, my step-brother a roofer, the next door neighbor when I grew up did gutter installation, the guy down the street was the one who installed furnaces and A/C.

While you're bragging about inviting the hired help to your fancy pool party, I am actually related to those people. It goes without saying that they are invited for my parties. Your arrogance is astounding.

Sorry, humanino, I don't have a 4000 sq foot house. Those are for the rich snobs who hire housekeepers because they can't be bothered doing their own dirty work. I keep my house within a size I can manage myself. I don't mind getting dirt under my fingernails.
 
  • #41
Moonbear said:
Sorry, humanino, I don't have a 4000 sq foot house. Those are for the rich snobs who hire housekeepers because they can't be bothered doing their own dirty work. I keep my house within a size I can manage myself. I don't mind getting dirt under my fingernails.
What I escribed exists, and is entirely managed by the owner on his spare time. Carrying a pager, he can be called at night even on week ends and does not necessarily have so much of spare time. Well, he wakes up at 3am and goes to bed at 11pm. After he's done with the chicken and the garden, he also renews old cars and brews his own beer. Only, I have no idea what a sq foot is.
 
  • #42
humanino said:
What I escribed exists, and is entirely managed by the owner on his spare time. Carrying a pager, he can be called at night even on week ends and does not necessarily have so much of spare time. Well, he wakes up at 3am and goes to bed at 11pm. After he's done with the chicken and the garden, he also renews old cars and brews his own beer. Only, I have no idea what a sq foot is.

sq foot is 1 foot2.

4000 ft² = 371.6 m², which refers to floor space in a house, in this context. It's is a really big house in the US.
 
  • #43
lisab said:
sq foot is 1 foot2.
Thanks lisab :shy:

You know, I've heard a talk by Harald Fritzsch recently. He claimed that during Bush senior, there was a movement to adopt the metric system in the US. He gave a talk for Gell-Mann's (maybe ?) birthday. And Gell-Mann asked him to talk about the electron mass. Since he really did not know what to discuss, he computed the electron mass in american pounds, and found 2.00x10-30 (please note, at that time W|A was not yet producing results in fundamental physics), and mentioned it as a joke during the birthday talk. Unfortunately, somebody in the audience picked it up, and later used it seriously against the metric system, as if it was anything more than a mere coincidence. Fritzsch thought he should apologize for that.

Do you happen to know how the Fahrenheit was chosen ? I hear contradicting theories.
 
  • #44
Moonbear said:
Obviously, because the men I know work in the professions you apparently lack the knowledge to be familiar with. My father was a contractor, my stepfather a mechanic, my step-brother a roofer, the next door neighbor when I grew up did gutter installation, the guy down the street was the one who installed furnaces and A/C.

What makes you think I don't have family members that are in the trades or people I know in the trades? I surely do or I wouldn't have addressed your comments. I wasn't picking things out the air without any previous knowledge about the subject matter! You earlier said, "This is why men try not to let women do these jobs...they fear that the more of us who do them for ourselves, the less they can get away with pretending it's a long, hard job to do because we'll know better." And you also said, "Honestly, they are simple tasks that don't require a lot of intelligence. That's why people can be employed in those professions even if they haven't graduated high school." Are you referring to "your" family members? And please remember I made it very clear that 'the men you know are very different from the men I know'. (ref. #34) We don't have the same life experiences. Chances are we don't know the same men.

Moonbear said:
While you're bragging about inviting the hired help to your fancy pool party, I am actually related to those people. It goes without saying that they are invited for my parties. Your arrogance is astounding.

I wasn't bragging about anything. I plainly stated, "Plus, I have enough work to do. I like to garden, but I'm not going to chop down a 50 foot tree or build an harbor. I leave it for a professional." By the way, I never said I had a pool nor a 4,000 sq. foot house. You were the one who jumped to the conclusion that I did. I don't. You assumed wrong when I wrote, "Furthermore, if you had a 4,000 sq. foot house built with a pool and landscaped you would know otherwise." That was in reference to my comment:

I'm really surprised by your response Moonbear. You obviously lack the knowledge to make assumptions about who is and who isn't intelligent. The majority of people in those professions that I do know are skilled and have a high school education and 4 years of trade school (union) with continuing madatory educational courses. And they do make plenty of $$$$$$$. They have an extremely high level of intelligence. They build hospitals, refineries, hotels, prisons, etc. I should mention that I have friends from every walk of life. And, if I throw a party everyone is invited including scientists, the garbage man, paper boy, musician, kids, CEO's, Trustees, etc. No power play there. Just living life to the fullest and enjoying the company. (I most definitely wouldn't ever tell a child they weren't intelligent.)



Moonbear said:
Sorry, humanino, I don't have a 4000 sq foot house. Those are for the rich snobs who hire housekeepers because they can't be bothered doing their own dirty work. I keep my house within a size I can manage myself. I don't mind getting dirt under my fingernails.

Well, I'm not humanino. I get dirt under my fingers when I garden. But you again wrongly assume that people who have a 4,000 sq foot house are as you wrote, "Those are for the rich snobs who hire housekeepers because they can't be bothered doing their own dirty work." Wow! Astounding ignorance! None of my friends including scientists that have a 4,000 sq foot house or larger are snobs! Some of them are professors at several universities. I know a few of them do have a professional cleaning service come in once a week because they are busy at work, travel, or involved with their children's after school activities and their wives are busy with kids and volunteer programs. And many of them with large homes do have wives that do their own gardening! Yep, they get dirt under their fingers too! I will tell you flat out that I am totally ticked that you have now called my friends snobs which is not the case! I consider everyone I invite to my house not hired help but rather a friend that comes to help me.

Moonbear, if you think intelligence is based on your perfect world then reconsider others aren't of your mindset.:smile:

As far as women painting, there is a small group of women artists who invited me to join their monthy painting club. We go to remote localities where we do landscape paintings. I just sold a small 12 in. x 8 in. painting. A friend of mine who is a scientist bought it for $350.00 which was donated to charity. A great indicator of intelligence is giving to charities that support underpriviledged children. I don't think there's an ounce of snobbery in doing that. That is if you care about people.
 
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