Word problem involving sinusoidal model

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The discussion revolves around a word problem involving a sinusoidal model, specifically related to the temperature of an oven described by the equation y=30sin(2π/20t)+270. Participants are exploring how to determine the time intervals during which the temperature exceeds a certain threshold.

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  • Participants discuss various methods for calculating the time segments where the temperature is above 280 degrees, including graphical and algebraic approaches. There is mention of dividing the cooking time by the time in one cycle where the temperature exceeds the threshold.

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Some participants have offered guidance on sketching the graph and finding the relevant time intervals, while others express uncertainty about the effectiveness of their approaches. There is no explicit consensus on the best method, but various strategies are being explored.

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Participants note the potential complexity of the problem and the possibility of needing to refer to a graph for accuracy. There is also mention of limitations in algebraic methods and the participants' varying levels of mathematical understanding.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



y=30\sin(\dfrac{2\pi}{20}t)+270

General principal solutions:

t=\left(\dfrac{\arcsin(\dfrac{1}{3}) 20}{2\pi}\right)+20k, k\in \mathbb{Z}

t=1.08173+20kGeneral symmetry solutions:

t=\left(-\dfrac{(\arcsin(\dfrac{1}{3})-\pi)20}{2\pi}\right)+20k, k\in \mathbb{Z}

t=8.91827+20k

The Attempt at a Solution



What I did was I divived 30 by the difference between these two values of time to find how many such segments I need to accumulate 30 min of 280 degrees:

\dfrac{30}{8.91827-1.08173}=3.828

And then I can find the answer with a bunch of manual work, involving referring to the graph, but I just feel like this is a very ineffective approach.
 
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maxpancho said:
y=30\sin(\dfrac{2\pi}{20}t)+270
... this is the equation for the temperature of the oven right?
Did you try sketching this and drawing a horizontal line for the desired temperature?

So your strategy is to find out how much time T1 in one cycle y>280F, divide the cooking time by T1 to find out how many cycles you need, then multiply that by the period.

What I did was I divived 30 by the difference between these two values of time to find how many such segments I need to accumulate 30 min of 280 degrees:

\dfrac{30}{8.91827-1.08173}=3.828

And then I can find the answer with a bunch of manual work, involving referring to the graph, but I just feel like this is a very ineffective approach.
I think the main thing you have to watch for is the last fraction of a period... that what you wanted to refer to the graph for?

Anyway - that's the approach all right.
 
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Yes, well, I find where the 4th segment ends and then subtract (4-3.828) times segment from it.

t=8.91827+20*3 gives me coordinate where 4th segment ends and then I do the following:
t=(8.91827+20*3)-((4-3.828)*8.91827)

So, yes, I just wanted to know if there is a better way to solve it or maybe it is supposed to be such a graph-involving problem. Well, maybe with calculus though, but I'm not yet at that level.
 
Well, actually not that much of "manual" work, just a less algebraic approach.
 
Well you could do it algebraically - but the graph approach is easier to think about.
AFAIK there is no fancy magic-wand approach - pretty much all alternatives involve headaches.
 

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