Work done by a distributed force on a string

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The discussion focuses on calculating the work done by a distributed force on a string, represented by F(x,t), as it changes from an initial configuration y(x_0,t_0) to a final configuration y(x,t). The proposed method involves using the total derivative to express the work done in terms of integrals, but there are concerns about the limits of integration. Participants debate whether the integration should be from y(x,t_0) to y(x,t) instead of y(x_0,t_0) to y(x,t), emphasizing the importance of understanding how the force acts on the string. The impact of neglecting tension and elasticity in the string is also discussed, indicating that real-life scenarios would require a more complex analysis. Understanding these factors is crucial for accurately modeling the work done on the string.
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Hi All

I'd like to know how I could calculate the work done by a distributed force on a string.

Let's say the force at a point x at a time t is given by

F(x,t).

Now the instantaneous amplitude of the string is given by y(x,t), say

I think that the work done by the force in changing the configuration of the string from some y(x_0,t_0) to y(x,t) should be something like
\int_{y(x_0,t_0)}^{y(x,t)} F(x,t) dy

I'll use the total derivative on y(x,t) which gives

dy=y_t dt+y_x dx

where

\frac{\partial y}{\partial x}=y_x

Now the integral becomes something like

\int F(x,t) y_t dt + \int F(x,t) y_x dx

My concerns here are the limits I need to put in each integral.

Any help would be greatly appreciated :D
 
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I would like to ask some questions to understand this better.

How does the force \vec{F}(x,t) act on the string? I'm guessing it's perpendicular to the x direction and along the y direction?

If it is perpendicular, why are you integrating from y(x_{0},t_{0}) to y(x,t) ? Shouldn't it be integrated from y(x,t_{0}) to y(x,t) ? (i.e. instead of \int_{y(x_{0},t_{0})}^{y(x,t)} F(x,t) dy , I think it should be \int_{y(x,t_{0})}^{y(x,t)} F(x,t) dy ). I mean, why does the x coordinate change?
 
I've attached the picture of how the force enters the system.

I agree with your assertion that the limits should include changes in t only.
How will this effect my change of variable then?

That is when I take the total derivative of dy,
how do I exclude y_x dx from the total derivative?
 

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If the tension in the string is completely neglected, my approach would be

  • Find the infinitesimal work dW(x) done between x and x + dx by dW(x) = \int_{y(x,t_{0})}^{y(x,t)} F(x,t) dy. If F doesn't cahnge with time, just take it as F(x). If it does, then find y(t) using Newton's second law for the part of string between x and x+dx with mass m by F(x,t) = m \frac{ \partial^{2} y }{ \partial t^{2} }
  • Find the total work by W = \int_{x=x_{1}}^{x_{2}} dW(x) dx

But a string in real life would have elasticity and tension and that analysis would be different. Then there would also be the extra work done to stretch the string.
 
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