Work done in lifting an object against gravity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the work done in lifting an object against gravity, specifically focusing on the forces involved, the work calculations during different phases of lifting, and the relationship between kinetic and potential energy. Participants explore concepts related to Newton's laws, work-energy principles, and the implications of varying forces during the lifting process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that applying a force greater than the weight of the object (50 N vs. 49 N) results in upward acceleration and that the body will continue moving upward at a constant velocity after the force is reduced to match the weight.
  • Another participant agrees with the initial assertion but calculates the work done differently, suggesting that the work done during the lift is 5 J, not 0.1 J as initially claimed.
  • Concerns are raised about the net work done during the lift, with one participant arguing that the net work is not zero due to the work done against gravity.
  • There is a discussion about the need to reduce the upward force to bring the object to rest, with some participants suggesting different approaches to this reduction.
  • One participant emphasizes that while the object is still moving upward, work is still being done on it, and energy transitions between kinetic and potential forms during the lifting process.
  • Another participant summarizes their understanding of the lifting process, calculating the net work done during different phases and questioning where their reasoning might be incorrect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculations of work done during the lifting process, with some agreeing on certain aspects while contesting others. There is no clear consensus on the net work done throughout the entire lifting process, indicating ongoing disagreement and uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various phases of lifting (acceleration, constant speed, deceleration) and their associated work calculations, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of net work and the contributions of different forces.

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Dear fellows

I have three questions related to the topic “Lifting an object against gravity”.

If we lift an object of mass 5kg we need to apply a little more force than its weight to lift it and suppose we apply 50 N force (gravity is exerting 49 N forces on it) for just a second that produces 0.2 m/s/s acceleration in the body and then we reduce the force to 49N after a second, now according to Newton’s first law the body will keep moving upward with constant velocity (0.2 m/s). Am I right??

When we apply 50N force for a second this force does 0.1J of work on the body. Now during the lift we can’t say that the net work done is 0. Am I right?

When we make the body to be in rest position, we need to reduce the upward force for just 1N and as a result the net force will be downward and that will be 1N. Now this net force will do 0.1J of work in opposite direction or -0.1J and this will cancel out the 0.1J of work that was in upward direction. This is why we say that when we lift a book from table to shelf the net work done is 0. Am I right??
 
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ziaharipur said:
If we lift an object of mass 5kg we need to apply a little more force than its weight to lift it and suppose we apply 50 N force (gravity is exerting 49 N forces on it) for just a second that produces 0.2 m/s/s acceleration in the body and then we reduce the force to 49N after a second, now according to Newton’s first law the body will keep moving upward with constant velocity (0.2 m/s). Am I right??
Yes.
When we apply 50N force for a second this force does 0.1J of work on the body. Now during the lift we can’t say that the net work done is 0. Am I right?
I get 5 J, but whatever -- correct, the work for the rest of the lift is not zero.
When we make the body to be in rest position, we need to reduce the upward force for just 1N and as a result the net force will be downward and that will be 1N.
Yes.
Now this net force will do 0.1J of work in opposite direction or -0.1J and this will cancel out the 0.1J of work that was in upward direction. This is why we say that when we lift a book from table to shelf the net work done is 0. Am I right??
No, none of that is correct. Work against gravity is against gravity: that's the 49 N acting through whatever distance.
 
ziaharipur said:
When we apply 50N force for a second this force does 0.1J of work on the body.
After 1 sec it has risen 0.1m and reached 0.2m/s; so you've given it KE of 0.1J, but you've also increased its PE by 4.9J. Work done = 50N x 0.1m = 5J.
When we make the body to be in rest position, we need to reduce the upward force for just 1N
Well, you don't need to reduce it by that; that's just one way.
and as a result the net force will be downward and that will be 1N. Now this net force will do 0.1J of work in opposite direction or -0.1J
You're still applying an upward force, and the mass is still moving upwards, so you're still doing work on it. But since it is slowing, some of its KE is now going into its PE. I.e. continuing increase in PE = continuing work done on it by you + energy lost from KE.
 
russ_watters said:
Yes. I get 5 J, but whatever -- correct, the work for the rest of the lift is not zero. Yes. No, none of that is correct. Work against gravity is against gravity: that's the 49 N acting through whatever distance.

I posted this Question on yahoo answers in this way and got a very good answer showing that my understanding is correctA book of mass 5kg is lifted from the table to shelf.

the body was at rest (initial kinetic energy=0), we applied 50 Newton force on it for just a second to produce an acceleration in the body, gravity is exerting 49N force on the body so the net force will be 1N upward this force produced an acceleration of 0.2 m/s/s in the body and after one second this force was reduced to 49 N (equal to the amount of force gravity is exerting on the body) now the body will keep moving in the upward direction with constant velocity that is 0.2 m/s (Newton’s First law of motion). this means that the kinetic energy of the body will be 0.1J and as W= change in Kinetic energy so the net work will be 0.1J during the lift (before coming in rest position on the shelf). When we reach the shelf we decrease our applied force to 48 N for just a second, in this way the net force will be 1N downward now this downward force will decrease the kinetic energy of the body from 0.1J to 0J in one second and the book will come in rest position. During the lift net work was 0.1J and after the lift both kinetic energies (initial and final) are zero so the net work is 0.

This is my understanding about lifting the book from table to shelf Am I right? If not then where I am wrong?ANSWER
Sort of, depending on what you mean by "the lift". During the initial, acceleration phase, the net work on the book was 0.1J. During the constant-speed phase, the net work on the book was 0. During the deceleration phase, the net work was −0.1J. Add them all up, and the net work for the whole trip was 0.1 + 0 + (-0.1) = 0.

But remember that "Net work" (as in the equation W=ΔKE) means work due to ALL forces, including the positive work done by your hand and the negative work done by gravity. (Gravity does negative work because it exerts a force in the direction opposite from the motion.) If you wanted to calculate JUST the work done by your hand, it would be different, and would depend on the height of the shelf.
 

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