Work done using a pulley system

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done while lifting a canister using a pulley system, focusing on the correct application of the work formula W = F x D x cos(theta). Initial attempts yielded incorrect results due to misunderstandings about displacement and the angle of force application. The correct approach involves recognizing that the displacement in the string differs from the canister's vertical movement. Ultimately, the resolution emphasizes the importance of accurately determining displacement and the direction of forces involved in the work calculation. The conversation highlights the challenges of applying theoretical concepts to practical problems in physics.
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Homework Statement



There is a pulley system, identical to system (ii) in the following image:
http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/~jw/graphics/blocks1.GIF

A 1.24 kg canister hangs from one pulley, you are lifting with constant speed, what is the work you do while lifting the canister 1.60 cm and a force 6.08 N?

Homework Equations



W = F x D (displacement) x Cos theta (where theta is the angle between work and displacement

The Attempt at a Solution



I originally just plugged in my values into the formula and yielded -0.09728 J. When I got it wrong I did a little looking around and tried both multiplying and dividing by 2. Here are all my attempts: 0.0486 J, -0.0486 J, -0.09728 J, 0 J, 0.09728 J, 379.75 J, 0.218 J, -0.218 J
 
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Show what you did. What force and displacement did you use? Note that the applied force is over a different displacement than the load.

You can also just figure the change in gravitational PE.
 
Here was my attempt:

Work done by the person = 0.016m x 6.08 N x cos(180) = -0.09728 J.
Unfortunately, that's incorrect.
So I figured that it was because the crate was being raised 0.016m (1.6cm) and therefore the amount of displacement in his string must be different. I first assumed it was half the amount, and tried -0.0486 J, when that was incorrect I tried double the amount -0.218 J, but that was also incorrect.
Now I'm stuck
 
Oh my, I didn't multiply by two correctly, problem solved, but thanks for your help it was as follows:

Work done by the person = 0.016m x 6.08 N x cos(0) x 2 = 0.19456 J
 
TJDF said:
Work done by the person = 0.016m x 6.08 N x cos(180) = -0.09728 J.
Unfortunately, that's incorrect.
Right. That's incorrect because (1) you used the wrong displacement, and (2) you have the wrong sign. (The applied force acts down, but the displacement of that force is also down--so the angle is wrong.)
So I figured that it was because the crate was being raised 0.016m (1.6cm) and therefore the amount of displacement in his string must be different. I first assumed it was half the amount, and tried -0.0486 J, when that was incorrect I tried double the amount -0.218 J, but that was also incorrect.
Well, it's either half or twice, I'll tell you that much. See if you can figure it out by staring at the diagram. For example, when the load moves up by 1 m, how much extra rope passes over the left pulley? (Use a piece of string to figure it out.)

As a check, figure out by how much the PE of the load must change.

Edit: Oops... Looks like I was too slow... or you were too fast! :approve:
 
The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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