Work done using a pulley system

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a pulley system problem involving a canister being lifted with a constant speed. The original poster attempts to calculate the work done while lifting the canister, given its mass, the force applied, and the displacement. Various values have been computed, leading to confusion regarding the correct application of the work formula.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the work formula, questioning the displacement used and the angle in the cosine function. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between the displacement of the load and the displacement of the string in the pulley system.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on re-evaluating the displacement and the angle used in calculations. There is an ongoing exploration of how the pulley system affects the relationship between the force applied and the displacement, with multiple interpretations being considered.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of potential errors in the calculations due to misunderstanding the displacement in the pulley system. The original poster has expressed uncertainty about the correct approach after receiving feedback on their attempts.

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Homework Statement



There is a pulley system, identical to system (ii) in the following image:
http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/~jw/graphics/blocks1.GIF

A 1.24 kg canister hangs from one pulley, you are lifting with constant speed, what is the work you do while lifting the canister 1.60 cm and a force 6.08 N?

Homework Equations



W = F x D (displacement) x Cos theta (where theta is the angle between work and displacement

The Attempt at a Solution



I originally just plugged in my values into the formula and yielded -0.09728 J. When I got it wrong I did a little looking around and tried both multiplying and dividing by 2. Here are all my attempts: 0.0486 J, -0.0486 J, -0.09728 J, 0 J, 0.09728 J, 379.75 J, 0.218 J, -0.218 J
 
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Show what you did. What force and displacement did you use? Note that the applied force is over a different displacement than the load.

You can also just figure the change in gravitational PE.
 
Here was my attempt:

Work done by the person = 0.016m x 6.08 N x cos(180) = -0.09728 J.
Unfortunately, that's incorrect.
So I figured that it was because the crate was being raised 0.016m (1.6cm) and therefore the amount of displacement in his string must be different. I first assumed it was half the amount, and tried -0.0486 J, when that was incorrect I tried double the amount -0.218 J, but that was also incorrect.
Now I'm stuck
 
Oh my, I didn't multiply by two correctly, problem solved, but thanks for your help it was as follows:

Work done by the person = 0.016m x 6.08 N x cos(0) x 2 = 0.19456 J
 
TJDF said:
Work done by the person = 0.016m x 6.08 N x cos(180) = -0.09728 J.
Unfortunately, that's incorrect.
Right. That's incorrect because (1) you used the wrong displacement, and (2) you have the wrong sign. (The applied force acts down, but the displacement of that force is also down--so the angle is wrong.)
So I figured that it was because the crate was being raised 0.016m (1.6cm) and therefore the amount of displacement in his string must be different. I first assumed it was half the amount, and tried -0.0486 J, when that was incorrect I tried double the amount -0.218 J, but that was also incorrect.
Well, it's either half or twice, I'll tell you that much. See if you can figure it out by staring at the diagram. For example, when the load moves up by 1 m, how much extra rope passes over the left pulley? (Use a piece of string to figure it out.)

As a check, figure out by how much the PE of the load must change.

Edit: Oops... Looks like I was too slow... or you were too fast! :approve:
 

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