Work function and energy of X ray photon emitted by anode

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The discussion revolves around the energy of photons emitted by electrons colliding with an anode, particularly in the context of the work function and its relevance to the emitted photon's energy. Participants are exploring the relationship between photon energy, work function, and the kinetic energy of electrons in this scenario.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Participants are questioning the assumptions made in the textbook regarding the relationship between photon energy and work function. There are discussions about whether the emitted photon energy should be considered as E=hf plus or minus the work function, and how the initial kinetic energy of the electron factors into this. Some are exploring the implications of the work function in relation to the anode and the energy states of the electrons.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants are providing insights into the initial energy states of the electrons and the potential relevance of the work function in different contexts. There is no explicit consensus yet, but the dialogue is productive in clarifying the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the implications of the work function in the context of emitted photon energy and the initial conditions of the electrons. There are references to the thermal energy required for electrons to exit the cathode and the potential energy considerations at the anode.

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Hi guys, I'm constantly bothered by one assumption in my textbook..it says that the photon emitted by the accelerating electron boiled off from the cathode colliding into the anode, has E=hf neglecting the work function, since its negligible. I'm curious whether it's E=hf plus or minus the work function, and I'm really confused by this. Firstly, if I work backwards, like imagining it's a photon liberating the electron through the photoelectric effect instead, then the energy released should be E=hf + work function right? Since it emits the work function energy of the electron together with the photon right? However, how do we know they are separate values, since the work function energy can itself be incorporated into the hf value of the photon? Wouldn't it be the same then?

Next, I think it's E=hf - the work function since if the accelerated electron has an initiall KE of E=eV=hf-work function then wouldn't the emitted photon have energy E=hf -phi too? Hmm but I think this whole second paragraph is invalid since the electron is initially boiled off by heating right? I'm not sure...I hope you guys can help me clear my confusion! Although the reason is not really needed, I'm curious to find out, thanks a lot!
 
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The initial electron cannot have a negative energy at the cathode - it starts with at least zero (and the required energy to exit the material is thermal energy), and has at least eV at the time it hits the anode. If the electron directly gets captured in the anode, hf=E=eV+work function might be possible as photon energy.
 
Actually I don't get why the textbook even mentions work function in the first place. if the electron is boiled off,then initially if should have low or zero KE, which means by the time it reaches the anode, it should have E=eV. The thing is, does the work function applies in the anode? If yes, then I'm assuming after it reaches the anode it goes into the ground state right? (Since it's been decelerated to the lowest energy state possible) during this acceleration, the photon should have E=hf, now, I think, without work function, or it is inside the E=hf equation already. Where then does the work function even apply? Thanks a lot!
 
I'm thinking if it could be the work function of anode it's saying, and that there might be electrons of the anode absorbing the photon produced by the colliding electrons? Is this possible? But if the energy of the photon emitted is high enough, then it should be able to liberate the electrons on the anode with kinetic energy supplied too, so it isn't insignificant is it? It's more like assuming the pathway of the photon doesn't collide with the anode...
 

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