Write as a Product of Transpositions

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves expressing a given permutation in cycle notation and subsequently writing it as a product of transpositions. The subject area relates to permutations and group theory.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss converting cycle notation into transpositions, with various methods being suggested for expressing cycles as products of transpositions. There is also an exploration of different ways to group the digits.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to express cycles as transpositions, and there is an ongoing exploration of different representations. Multiple interpretations of the transposition products are being considered.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of uncertainty regarding the correct grouping of digits into transpositions, indicating a need for clarification on the approach.

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Homework Statement


Write the permutation
P=
12345678
23156847

in cycle notation, and then write it as a product of transpositions


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The Attempt at a Solution


I got the cycle notation to be (123)(45687), but i am now not sure now to write it as a product of transpositions. My only really thought was just grouping the digits in twos but i don't think that is correct

Thank you
 
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Welcome to PF, flufles! :smile:

Each cycle can be written as a product of transpositions.
The most common methods are:
(1 2 3 4) = (1 4)(1 3)(1 2)
and
(1 2 3 4) = (1 2)(2 3)(3 4).
See the pattern?
 
thank you for the welcome,
i think i do
so (123) could be written as (12)(23) or (13)(12)
and (45687) written as (45)(56)(68)(87) or (47)(48)(46)(45)
and so would i just put these next to each other as (12)(23)(45)(56)(68)(87)

Thank you
 
Yep! That's it! :smile:

And you're welcome.
 
thank you very much =]
 

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